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Guess the Grade - 1889 Toned Morgan

U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭✭✭
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What grade do you think this one achieved?

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    AlanSkiAlanSki Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AlanSki said:
    64

    Agreed, unless there is more luster than I am seeing. If so, MS65.

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    maymay Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2023 9:12PM

    MS-64, it just has that “dingy” look on the obverse that’s holding it back

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A technical MS62, but I'd bet that PCGS gave it a bump to 64 for the color.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63+

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 7,286 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Looks like some cheek scuffs are minimized by lighting.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58+

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    RipnrunRipnrun Posts: 15 ✭✭

    64

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    ExtremeengineerExtremeengineer Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    63

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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,224 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm going to assume this is MS, but that might be a poor assumption. I think it's a bit mushy, has reduced luster and muted color. It looks too clean to be an MS63 and too meh to be an MS64, yet I don't like the + grade designation on a coin like this. My guess is that I would think it's an MS64, but with reduced eye appeal for the grade.

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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess is 64 also. Nice color!

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    58+

    Out of 1,518 for this date/MM graded AU58 only seven have also achieved the +.

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    SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64+

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    raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64+

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    coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63.

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65+

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    psuman08psuman08 Posts: 434 ✭✭✭✭

    64 due to color

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reveal?

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

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    124Spider124Spider Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Reveal?

    It’s too early. I like to wait around 24 hours to give more people a chance.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just noticed more marks on the coin so Im going down to a 62 guess now.

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    cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58+> @braddick said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    58+

    Out of 1,518 for this date/MM graded AU58 only seven have also achieved the +.

    I can't imagine this one is MS with what looks like rub on all high points of the obverse obviously the reverse was right side up (toning) thus no rub at least that is easy to pick up on.

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    Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tough date for color

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    HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 736 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    58+

    Out of 1,518 for this date/MM graded AU58 only seven have also achieved the +.

    And this is one of them!

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58+ or 62 not much difference except a 58+ is probably worth more than a 62

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    58+ or 62 not much difference except a 58+ is probably worth more than a 62

    I would much rather have a 58+ in terms of value; 62 is a grade that many seem to scoff at while 58+ gets plenty of attention (especially from the everyman registry set collectors). The coin is what it is regardless of grade and I'm happy to find nice toning on a tougher date.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too bad the toning wasn't on the obverse.

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Too bad the toning wasn't on the obverse.

    Some people only want obverse toning but I'm happy with either side being toned (and it helps when you can get a nice reverse toner for less money compared to an obverse toner).

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great looking piece and obviously graded accurately :p

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice piece, late but I'd have guessed 62+ on this one.

    58+ is a great grade!

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 7,286 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome grade 👍🏻

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago :o

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 22, 2023 11:12PM

    58

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,395 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I saw that in a 63 holder; I wouldn’t question it.

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    lsicalsica Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭

    This pic provides proof positive that fixed position pictures provide only pieces of what you need to pinpoint the position of a coin on the 70 point scale, be us human person or even computer processor😉

    In other words - since we couldn't rotate the coin in the light, we couldn't tell in the flatness we saw was wear or strike. And the toning didn't help. Sure yeah maybe we can make assumptions based on other clues in the image or even date if we happen to be very knowledgeable about the series, but in the end nothing beats being able to rotate your coin under Edisons, OTTs or even LEDs and be able to say "hmmmm the luster gets kinda dull above that ear and on that eagle breast when I move it around".

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Speak for yourself Isica I nailed it.

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    lsicalsica Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    Speak for yourself Isica I nailed it.

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    The Coinscratch TPG! Just email them a photo and you get a grade right back! Hey who needs stuff like shipping insurance and wait times! 😉

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 11,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lsica said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    Speak for yourself Isica I nailed it.

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