Did John R Sinnock have 1946 "Proof" Roosevelt Dimes struck?

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lsica
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edited November 2, 2023 11:02AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Did John R Sinnock have 1946 "Proof" Roosevelt Dimes struck? Before y'all call me nuts, I do remember seeing this somewhere (probably Breen....ugh) and there is evidence of him having done similar things before (various proof commemoratives from the 1920s and 1930s) and oft-repeated "rumors" of others (1943-D Bronze Cent)

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  • World67
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    Interesting question. I look forward to the replies.

  • gumby1234
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    I've never seen one. It would be cool if some were out there.

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  • johnny9434
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    edited November 2, 2023 3:36PM
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    I heard something about that many years ago but lost track of it 🖖

  • CaptHenway
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    I have never, ever heard that he did.

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  • BuffaloIronTail
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    Sinnock had a taste for "special" coins.

    I believe that his holdings have been cataloged.by now.

    If they exist, they should be listed.

    Pete

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  • may
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    It's probably in a sidewalk. ;)

  • giorgio11
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    FWIW I got out my Breen Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins and read the Roosevelt dimes introductory section, the entry for 1946 dimes, and then referred to his Proof Encyclopedia (especially the Restrikes and Fantasy Pieces section), and thirdly the Judd pattern reference. I saw absolutely no reference or even a hint of 1946 proof dimes. None of that proves anything but it's just a couple of data points against such a theory.

    Kind regards,

    George

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  • lsica
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    @giorgio11 said:
    FWIW I got out my Breen Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins and read the Roosevelt dimes introductory section, the entry for 1946 dimes, and then referred to his Proof Encyclopedia (especially the Restrikes and Fantasy Pieces section), and thirdly the Judd pattern reference. I saw absolutely no reference or even a hint of 1946 proof dimes. None of that proves anything but it's just a couple of data points against such a theory.

    Kind regards,

    George

    K thanks. My Breen books are in storage so I couldn't check myself. Not sure where I heard that story then. Probably some fish story overheard at a coin show ;-) The recent post here about someone finding a fake 43D Bronze 1c just made me think of the 1946 Proof story because of the Sinnock link. Thanks for checking

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  • World67
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    There's always this:

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sinnock had some cool and rare coins in his collection, but I have never heard a rumor of a 1946 Proof dime.

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  • Dentuck
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    I would say if Capt Henway hasn’t heard of it, it ain’t so.

  • The_Dinosaur_Man
    The_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Were any proofs struck between 1942 and 1950? What were the patterns like for the dime, if any existed?

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  • WinLoseWin
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    I do have a raw BU 1946 Roosevelt I tossed aside with strong PL obverse surfaces while the reverse has much die polish but not reflective. Thought there might be some on PCGS CoinFacts as PL but none are listed. Probably are some more around but too one sided to be full PL.

    Will have to take a photo sometime. I am assuming it is just an early coin off of fresh dies.

    It is unusual enough that it does have me wondering how much better or different can the so-called "special strike" coins of the 1950's to 1970's discovered in the Smithsonian a few years ago be compared to this one.

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  • leothelyon
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    Start a new series, Roosevelt dimes and not make a few high-quality specimens for, perhaps historical reasons and tuck them away......at least a few full proof-like examples. Two proof 1966 Jefferson nickels were supposedly struck and given to its designer Felix Schlag of the JN when they finally added his initials to the obverse. So..... anything is possible, right?

    Leo

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  • CaptHenway
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    @MrEureka said:
    I may have the details a little mixed up, but I think I heard that he had one made, gave it to his daughter, and she spent it on an ice cream cone.

    No, she threw it in the Trevi Fountain in Rome!

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  • lsica
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    @leothelyon said:
    Two proof 1966 Jefferson nickels were supposedly struck and given to its designer Felix Schlag of the JN when they finally added his initials to the obverse. So..... anything is possible, right?

    I think those coins just wound up being specially selected business strikes in a nice frame

    Philately will get you nowhere....
  • giorgio11
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    @lsica said:

    @giorgio11 said:
    FWIW I got out my Breen Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins and read the Roosevelt dimes introductory section, the entry for 1946 dimes, and then referred to his Proof Encyclopedia (especially the Restrikes and Fantasy Pieces section), and thirdly the Judd pattern reference. I saw absolutely no reference or even a hint of 1946 proof dimes. None of that proves anything but it's just a couple of data points against such a theory.

    Kind regards,

    George

    K thanks. My Breen books are in storage so I couldn't check myself. Not sure where I heard that story then. Probably some fish story overheard at a coin show ;-) The recent post here about someone finding a fake 43D Bronze 1c just made me think of the 1946 Proof story because of the Sinnock link. Thanks for checking

    Glad to help, you certainly piqued my curiosity as well!

    Kind regards,

    George

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  • BuffaloIronTail
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    @CaptHenway said:

    @MrEureka said:
    I may have the details a little mixed up, but I think I heard that he had one made, gave it to his daughter, and she spent it on an ice cream cone.

    No, she threw it in the Trevi Fountain in Rome!

    Reminds me of the movie "Three Coins in a Fountain".

    Pete

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  • CaptHenway
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    Roger Burdette says that he covered the story of the development of the Roosevelt Dime in "Saudi Gold and Other Tales From the Mint," and there is no suggestion anywhere of a Proof Roosevelt Dime before 1950.

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  • leothelyon
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    @lsica said:

    @leothelyon said:
    Two proof 1966 Jefferson nickels were supposedly struck and given to its designer Felix Schlag of the JN when they finally added his initials to the obverse. So..... anything is possible, right?

    I think those coins just wound up being specially selected business strikes in a nice frame

    Years ago, through a dealer who had acquaintances with the family said, they didn't know the whereabouts of those coins so....we may never know. But, someone, at some time, started the tale.
    You would think they would have mentioned this award on this website, http://www.felixschlag.com/index.html

    Leo

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  • lsica
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    @leothelyon said:
    Years ago, through a dealer who had acquaintances with the family said, they didn't know the whereabouts of those coins so....we may never know.
    Leo

    That would be very sad if 2 Proofs actually did exist at one time but were lost later

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  • oreville
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    Are there any galvanos to be found of the Roosevelt dime?

    Any patterns possible?

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  • Dentuck
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    @CaptHenway said:

    @MrEureka said:
    I may have the details a little mixed up, but I think I heard that he had one made, gave it to his daughter, and she spent it on an ice cream cone.

    No, she threw it in the Trevi Fountain in Rome!

    She tossed it into a bowl of tapioca and coined the phrase, “The Proof is in the pudding.”

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