Flowing hair dollar to be revived
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This is great news!
https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/u-s-mint-plans-to-resurrect-1794-dollar-designs
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Wow, interesting.
I’m on board, definitely a welcome design, but IMO the coin will look a little off.
I wonder what die variety they will use?🤔
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Yeah, high relief won't look anything like the originals. More of a "tribute" coin. Still, a cool design to use.
Looks like the date still needs some work, but it's a welcome change ! Everything old is new again, and that's good.
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Very cool, I like this idea. I applaud them for listening to feedback.
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I think that's great. Hope the rev is a killer wreath of oak leaves, acorns, and such, oh my!
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I'm on board with that
Let's take a guess at what the price will be........
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Cant wait to see them, timeless designs in flashy Silver and luxurious Gold
It's all about what the people want...
$82.00 the same as this year's Liberty Silver Medal.
I suppose next they'll resurrect the PanPac Octagonal gold, the J-1776, the $50 union, and collector set King of Siam restrikes. All will be offered in reverse-proof, regular proof, gold, aluminum, platinum, glass, and plastic.
I dunno. Recreating classics is wearing thin on me. It's a bit like the Roman and Greek statues around Caesar's Palace in Vegas. The substance is perhaps there, but not the style.
Plenty of time between now and 2024 to raise prices on everything again.
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Love that Reverse design.
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I think it looks awesome!!!
I really dislike the CAD designs. They look sterile and lazy.
I think Intaglio Mint beat the US Mint with their 1794 silver 2 ouncer. I think I have some somewhere.
15 stars.
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I’m thinking the liberty proof spouses surrounding the liberty gold sitting on black felt
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I'm not sure I'm loving it. I mean, the originals are superb, but these super clean, computer produced images make me think the new US Mint pieces will look more like silver rounds than true classics. Why can't/couldn't they employ sculptors or other quality artists to give these a truly "handmade" feel?
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Next you're going to ask for them to file down planchets instead of using machinery to make ones that have perfect weights from the get-go!
I like the concept. I am however not happy that the silver issue will be a medal and not a true coin. The mint should stop doing these work arounds and simply find a sponsor in Congress to get them made legit. A lot of us don’t do medals. We want “coins!!!!!!!”
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I agree with TomB. There is a difference between hand engraved and laser engraved, and it has to do with the tiny flaws in handmade stuff. I do a fair bit of biological illustrating and I have never cared for computer generated graphics because they are too perfect. The "microflaws" in hand drawn illustrations impart a certain reality to a drawing that seems to escape digitally produced drawings.
No interest here
I only want the real ones
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Not a fan. If they made it exactly I would be a buyer.
The high relief gold will be a pretty coin.
Does it have a lettered edge like the originals?
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I agree. Also with a hefty price tag
Martin
It's just a glorified one ounce silver round if it doesn't show a denomination on the edge like the originals had.
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Maybe the talent isn't as good. They should've done more classic coin revivals in the 1980s when Elizabeth Jones was chief engraver.
Per the CW article in the OP:
"The original edge inscribed denomination will also be included on the gold coin."
Well I don’t have a ‘94, so I guess it will have to settle for being with my 1795. Show yours.
Will the silver coin also show the original edge lettering?
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What about In God We Trust and E Pluribus Unum?
the medal is not bound by the same laws the coinage is. there will be fewer mottos.
I imagine we could write the ccag and be for edge lettering. it was, after all, used on the presidential dollars
Isn't it one ounce? I like the 2023 bristlecone, but I agree this one looks too, well, fake, for lack of a better term. This move to remove the human element from design creates a lack of appeal in the output. Next they'll throw a few old coins at an AI interface and come up with a design completely devoid of character.
I just wish it could be in coin silver and not 99.9999%. And it would be even more awesome, though impractical, if they did it with a screw press. It just won’t look right to me otherwise.
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Yes. One ounce just like most silver rounds.
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And now let the debate commence as to whether these coins represent a continuation of the Flowing Hair Dollar series...
I think they should hire @dcarr to do the master hub for these.
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In reference to a prior question about denomination edge lettering, the medal would not, by definition, have a denomination. The gold coin will have the edge lettering denomination.
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I also wonder how they get around the absence of God We Trust and E Pluribus Unum, but hope that they do leave them off to keep the design more consistent with the original.
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Lastly, not mentioned in the article was intended finish. Recent Liberty coins/medals have had a proof finish. Please, no on a proof finish for this issue.
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The CW article specifically states that the Au coin will have the "inscribed denomination", but says nothing about the silver medal. To me, this implies that the current 'plan' is no.
Per the CW article in the OP:
"To honor the original, the Mint will follow the same minimal inscriptions on the 1794 Flowing Hair dollar coin on both the silver medal and gold coin."
Not a fan. Doesn't seem to have any artistic qualities to it and looks like many silver rounds.
The pic is not of the final product. It's a rendition. The article states the two design committees are only now starting to review the designs.
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Can the Mint Director unilaterally pick an old-school medal artist -- without a lengthy selection process?
I'd love to see someone like Heidi Wastweet get the job.
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we need to contact them about edge inscriptions. i'd think they can fit everything on the edge. i'd also think there would be raised bumps between the collar segments.
and there is someone wondering about the denomination on the silver medal. if a medal has a denomination then it is not a medal by definition. for further proof, check the past silver liberty medals and there will be no denomination on them
This is going to be a great coin and glad to see it scheduled. Excited about it as much as I was the 2009 UHR.
The high relief series gold 2015 was uncirculated, 2017 proof/cameo, 2019 enhanced, 2021 and 2023 proof/cameo. The article discusses the dies and profile but not proof or unc.
Any real insight as to the finish for 2025?
Bought it few months ago along with their 1oz St. Gaudens. As I compared the St Gaudens to my 2009 UHR thought how nice the 1794 would be in gold and here we are.
I agree with pretty much everyone here, it's going to be too perfect and that gives it an unrealistic look.