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    Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, interesting.

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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m on board, definitely a welcome design, but IMO the coin will look a little off.

    I wonder what die variety they will use?🤔

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that's great. Hope the rev is a killer wreath of oak leaves, acorns, and such, oh my!

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm on board with that

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let's take a guess at what the price will be........

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    LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cant wait to see them, timeless designs in flashy Silver and luxurious Gold

    It's all about what the people want...

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    djmdjm Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:
    Let's take a guess at what the price will be........

    $82.00 the same as this year's Liberty Silver Medal.

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @djm said:

    @privatecoin said:
    Let's take a guess at what the price will be........

    $82.00 the same as this year's Liberty Silver Medal.

    Plenty of time between now and 2024 to raise prices on everything again. :D

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    COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love that Reverse design.

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    PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it looks awesome!!!

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    PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭✭

    I think Intaglio Mint beat the US Mint with their 1794 silver 2 ouncer. I think I have some somewhere.

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    JBNJBN Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    15 stars.

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    PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭✭
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    MartinMartin Posts: 840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m thinking the liberty proof spouses surrounding the liberty gold sitting on black felt

    Martin

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    I'm not sure I'm loving it. I mean, the originals are superb, but these super clean, computer produced images make me think the new US Mint pieces will look more like silver rounds than true classics. Why can't/couldn't they employ sculptors or other quality artists to give these a truly "handmade" feel?

    Next you're going to ask for them to file down planchets instead of using machinery to make ones that have perfect weights from the get-go!

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No interest here
    I only want the real ones :o

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    Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a fan. If they made it exactly I would be a buyer.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The high relief gold will be a pretty coin.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does it have a lettered edge like the originals?

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    MartinMartin Posts: 840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    The high relief gold will be a pretty coin.

    I agree. Also with a hefty price tag

    Martin

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 20, 2023 8:08AM

    It's just a glorified one ounce silver round if it doesn't show a denomination on the edge like the originals had.

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    olympicsosolympicsos Posts: 698 ✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    I'm not sure I'm loving it. I mean, the originals are superb, but these super clean, computer produced images make me think the new US Mint pieces will look more like silver rounds than true classics. Why can't/couldn't they employ sculptors or other quality artists to give these a truly "handmade" feel?

    Maybe the talent isn't as good. They should've done more classic coin revivals in the 1980s when Elizabeth Jones was chief engraver.

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Does it have a lettered edge like the originals?

    Per the CW article in the OP:
    "The original edge inscribed denomination will also be included on the gold coin."

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MetroD said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Does it have a lettered edge like the originals?

    Per the CW article in the OP:
    "The original edge inscribed denomination will also be included on the gold coin."

    Will the silver coin also show the original edge lettering?

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    olympicsosolympicsos Posts: 698 ✭✭✭✭

    @MetroD said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Does it have a lettered edge like the originals?

    Per the CW article in the OP:
    "The original edge inscribed denomination will also be included on the gold coin."

    What about In God We Trust and E Pluribus Unum?

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the medal is not bound by the same laws the coinage is. there will be fewer mottos.

    I imagine we could write the ccag and be for edge lettering. it was, after all, used on the presidential dollars

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    @PerryHall said:
    It's just a glorified 2 ounce silver round if it doesn't show a denomination on the edge like the originals had.

    Isn't it one ounce? I like the 2023 bristlecone, but I agree this one looks too, well, fake, for lack of a better term. This move to remove the human element from design creates a lack of appeal in the output. Next they'll throw a few old coins at an AI interface and come up with a design completely devoid of character.

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    TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just wish it could be in coin silver and not 99.9999%. And it would be even more awesome, though impractical, if they did it with a screw press. It just won’t look right to me otherwise.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Extremeengineer said:

    @PerryHall said:
    It's just a glorified 2 ounce silver round if it doesn't show a denomination on the edge like the originals had.

    Isn't it one ounce? I like the 2023 bristlecone, but I agree this one looks too, well, fake, for lack of a better term. This move to remove the human element from design creates a lack of appeal in the output. Next they'll throw a few old coins at an AI interface and come up with a design completely devoid of character.

    Yes. One ounce just like most silver rounds.

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    SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In reference to a prior question about denomination edge lettering, the medal would not, by definition, have a denomination. The gold coin will have the edge lettering denomination.
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    I also wonder how they get around the absence of God We Trust and E Pluribus Unum, but hope that they do leave them off to keep the design more consistent with the original.
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    Lastly, not mentioned in the article was intended finish. Recent Liberty coins/medals have had a proof finish. Please, no on a proof finish for this issue.

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    Will the silver coin also show the original edge lettering?

    The CW article specifically states that the Au coin will have the "inscribed denomination", but says nothing about the silver medal. To me, this implies that the current 'plan' is no.

    @olympicsos said:

    What about In God We Trust and E Pluribus Unum?

    Per the CW article in the OP:
    "To honor the original, the Mint will follow the same minimal inscriptions on the 1794 Flowing Hair dollar coin on both the silver medal and gold coin."

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    coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a fan. Doesn't seem to have any artistic qualities to it and looks like many silver rounds.

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    The pic is not of the final product. It's a rendition. The article states the two design committees are only now starting to review the designs.

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    COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 20, 2023 12:03PM

    @TomB said:
    I'm not sure I'm loving it. I mean, the originals are superb, but these super clean, computer produced images make me think the new US Mint pieces will look more like silver rounds than true classics. Why can't/couldn't they employ sculptors or other quality artists to give these a truly "handmade" feel?

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    Can the Mint Director unilaterally pick an old-school medal artist -- without a lengthy selection process?

    I'd love to see someone like Heidi Wastweet get the job.

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    COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Barberian said:
    I agree with TomB. There is a difference between hand engraved and laser engraved, and it has to do with the tiny flaws in handmade stuff. I do a fair bit of biological illustrating and I have never cared for computer generated graphics because they are too perfect. The "microflaws" in hand drawn illustrations impart a certain reality to a drawing that seems to escape digitally produced drawings.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LGTheCoinAnalyst said:
    The pic is not of the final product. It's a rendition. The article states the two design committees are only now starting to review the designs.

    we need to contact them about edge inscriptions. i'd think they can fit everything on the edge. i'd also think there would be raised bumps between the collar segments.

    and there is someone wondering about the denomination on the silver medal. if a medal has a denomination then it is not a medal by definition. for further proof, check the past silver liberty medals and there will be no denomination on them

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    LiquidatedLiquidated Posts: 125 ✭✭✭

    This is going to be a great coin and glad to see it scheduled. Excited about it as much as I was the 2009 UHR.

    The high relief series gold 2015 was uncirculated, 2017 proof/cameo, 2019 enhanced, 2021 and 2023 proof/cameo. The article discusses the dies and profile but not proof or unc.

    Any real insight as to the finish for 2025?

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    LiquidatedLiquidated Posts: 125 ✭✭✭

    @PhillyJoe said:
    I think Intaglio Mint beat the US Mint with their 1794 silver 2 ouncer. I think I have some somewhere.

    @PhillyJoe said:
    I think Intaglio Mint beat the US Mint with their 1794 silver 2 ouncer. I think I have some somewhere.

    @PhillyJoe said:
    I think Intaglio Mint beat the US Mint with their 1794 silver 2 ouncer. I think I have some somewhere.

    Bought it few months ago along with their 1oz St. Gaudens. As I compared the St Gaudens to my 2009 UHR thought how nice the 1794 would be in gold and here we are.

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    OnastoneOnastone Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭✭✭


    I agree with pretty much everyone here, it's going to be too perfect and that gives it an unrealistic look.

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