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NFL GOAT’s by team
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Brady obviously New England.
Cleveland ? Otto Graham over Jim Brown ?
Pittsburgh? I have No idea !!!!!!
How about some other teams ?????
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Otto Graham? Jim Brown? My Gawd that's a tough one.
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Cleveland and Houston both come to mind as tough ones.
Otto Graham or Jim.Brown
Earl Campbell or Warren Moon
Pittsburgh? That might be the toughest one though
Bradshaw?
Franco Harris?
Swann?
Name a Defensive player?
Eagles: Reggie White
Giants: LT
49ers: Montana
Dolphins: Marino
Broncos: Elway
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I think i would go Moon for Houston. he was there longer than Earl.
Cleveland is super tough. Brown was so dominant, but so was Graham. I really cant choose.
what about the Colts. Unitas or Manning?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Eagles: Nick Foles
Butkus - Bears
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Butkus over Walter Peyton?
No.
Vikings; Tarkenton or Page?
Fran spent his best (?) 5 years playing for the Giants.
Page did play for the Bears at the end of his career.
Chargers...I'd say Seau.
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Don't you mean Malcolm Butler
Butkus greatest middle linebacker ever. Peyton not greatest RB ever.
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Page easily. Won league MVP in the 70’s. One of only two D players to do that in the 70’s.
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I made my decision for the Steelers.
From 1974 through 1989 Mike Webster was a starter.
He made 1970’s All Decade 2nd team and
He made 1980’s All Decade 2nd team.
Brady made 1st team in 2 decades.
Webster made 2nd team in 2 decades. He deserves it.
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Only lineman to ever win MVP.
Tarkenton won an MVP as well.
Both phenomenal players, both underappreciated in my opinion.
I saw Page dominate the line of scrimmage for years, also saw Fran win a lot of games with basically no great skill players helping him. He is greatly (and unfairly) hurt by failing to win the big game. Give him Franco Harris or Larry Csonka, add a Stallworth, Warfield or Biletnikoff and the results might be different.
I vote Page, but it's very close.
Well, I'm not so sure Peyton wasn't the GOAT running back.
Butkus was the hardest hitting MLB I ever saw, but I'm not sure he's the best ever.
I vote Peyton because of his longer career, but I loved Butkus as well.
Payton (like Tarkenton) was pretty much the entire offense, especially early in his career. McMahon had 1 good year and Gault was the best WR while Walter was there. That's it.
As Vikings fan, I saw both guys (more of Walter) and the entire game plan was to stop Walter. You just couldn't, you could only try to limit him.
NFL GOAT’s by team...
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Totally agree about both.
It’s a coin flip on the Bears.
Butkus and Brown both short careers but totally dominated.
WP was incredible. Coin flip.
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Totally agree.
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Joe Greene? 10X Pro Bowl.
Great choice. Two time defensive player of the year.
Mike Webster 9x pro bowl, and better longevity. Just don’t feel any other Steeler has the excellence + longevity like Iron Mike Webster.
Steelers GOAT should go to Knoll.
Choosing a player is tough.
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Patriots: Tom Brady as receiver
Mike Webster is a great low key choice for the Steelers. An all time OL who anchored the line for 15 years.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
is he the only OL to be considered?
what about anthony munoz for the bengals?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Lions:Barry Sanders
Definitely not Bradshaw. He won an MVP eventhough Staubach was better simply because the Steelers had a better record. Other than that Bradshaw was very average and got carried to SB wins which got him into the HOF. Joe Greene is probably the answer for them.
Chargers would be Rivers, Tomlinson or Fouts
When you’re voted 1st team 1970’s All Decade NFL team that not only means that you’re way above average, it means you were the best.
“Carried to Super Bowl wins”?
Other way around. He had a better QB rating then Staubach twice, Tarkenton and VF in all four Super Bowls. He was MVP 2 of 4 and should have been 3 or 4 for 4.
Staubach was the reason Dallas lost their first SB to Pittsburgh throwing three crucial picks to Bradshaw’s none.
In other words, Pittsburgh was 4for4 because of TB.
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Here’s an “amazing stat”.
Noll drafted 4 hall of famers in the first round in 4 out of 6 years.
Never has then been close to equaled.
Not only that, but he also got HOF Blount and HOF LC Greenwood with TB in 70 and HOF Lambert and HOF Webster in 74 with Swann. He even turned 74 free agent Lonnie Shell into a HOFamer.
He picked HOF Ham in the 2nd round in 71.
Noll was an incredible machine in the 70’s but not so much in the 80’s. Still unequalled greatness.
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Barry Sanders is the GOAT running back. I'm not sure how to rank 2a vs 2b, Jim Brown / Walter Peyton. Fair case could be made for either one of them to be the #2 guy.
Brett Favre for Green Bay.
I think any one of those three could be the GOAT.
I saw the Bears and Lions play the Vikings twice a year for Sanders and Paytons entire careers. I would take Walter over Barry, but they were both great
I'm admittedly unable to objectively pick best RB without considering hometown Detroit bias, even though I'm convinced Barry was the best. I wonder how the total rankings would be if you were to eliminate votes from people from the locations of (or, fans of) the three players' teams?
Sanders was "electrifying", he could turn 10 yard losses into 50(+) yard gains.
Walter could make the long run too, but he was more consistent in his runs than Barry. I am an "old school" guy, I like the guy who gets the ball and goes right at you.
Both guys played for teams that were, for the most part, horrible. The Bears did have the one nice run.
Picking a GOAT at any position in team sports is folly.
Cleveland - Jim Brown
Pittsburgh - Mean Joe Greene
Detroit- Barry Sanders
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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One of the few where there's absolutely no debate.
OH NO HERE WE GO AGAIN 😱😱
Stupid list…. Mistlin
So at this point I’m going to have to conclude that never in your life have you heard the phrase
“Let’s agree to disagree”
Just sayin’ these Bradshaw wars are starting to get tiresome.
At this point nothing new is going to be said from either side so it really should be laid to rest.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Calvin Johnson is debatable
Staubach was better than Bradshaw in 78, unfortunately (especially back then) to many people vote for football awards based on QBs with the best record. Bradshaw won an MVP yet the same voters voted him 2nd for offensive player of the year when he plays offense. If you arent even the best offensive player how can you be the MVP of the league?
Bradshaws stats also arent very good even for back then. He finished with 212 TDs to 210 INTs with 84 fumbles in the regular season. His playoff stats had him with 30 TDs and 26 INTs and 10 fumbles including 7 in a single year that they won the SB.
Hes not in the HOF because of his personal stats, hes there because of team accomplishments of winning the 4 SBs and voters having the belief that QBs deserve all the credit. He was one very good teams and was a pretty average to above average QB, but he certainly wasnt some huge weapon hes made out to be because of the rings
Chiefs I would say Willie Lanier,
Bobby Bell, Buck Buchanan, Len Dawson, Willie Roaf, Neil Smith,
Emmitt Thomas, Johnny Robinson,
Derrick Thomas, Derrick Johnson, Otis Taylor, Art Still, Will Shields, Travis Kelce, Tony Gonzalez, Deron Cherry, Chris Jones, Tyreek Hill, Jamal Charles, Christian Okoye or Patrick Mahomes.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
I would say Fouts or Lance Allworth
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Seahawks I would say Steve Largent
Stupid list…. Mistlin
LT or Rivers. Fouts theres an argument
Saying Rivers is the chargers goat is like saying Dak Prescott is the cowboys goat.
LT is a good choice
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Nah. Calvin was great but Barry was a level above.
153 touchdowns in 9 seasons. He was even better than I remembered. I'd say he's an excellent choice.
Rivers was elite until the end of his career. The Chargers were basically the Dodgers of the NFL playing not to lose instead of playing to win when the playoffs came around. There were a lot of playoff games they got a lead and tried to run the clock out, they also had a lot of injury issues by the time the playoffs came around
They had basically the same career path with the same organization. Both were elite at their positions on generally bad teams, and both retired at 30. I do think Barry is the answer but there is an argument for Calvin as well
Alright, with teams that have a definitive GOAT, who would be the second choice.
For the Patriots, a team that had a long, long, long run of success, many would look into that run to choose a #2 to Brady. Part of Brady's greatness is actually that he played with many less-than-greats. Gronkowski is the answer if you are looking into that time frame. I would personally go with John Hannah as the second greatest Patriot.
Bradshaw was the best QB in 78 and he proved it in the super bowl. Double MVP year that he earned.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Thats true if you ignore the fact that Staubach threw for more yards, ran for more yards, had more total yards, had a better TD to INT rate, and fumbled less