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Will this Bust Half cross over with rim weirdness?
stevereecy
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I’d appreciate some advice. I bought this with the idea I would cross it over. Unfortunately I didn’t see this rim bump/ding on it in the seller photo. I do know that manufacturing back in the early 1800s was less precise, especially with the lettered edge.
What do you think? Would this cross or with this end up being a details grade? Why didn’t I CG give it a details grade?
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My currency "Box of Ten" Thread: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1045579/my-likely-slow-to-develop-box-of-ten#latest
My currency "Box of Ten" Thread: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1045579/my-likely-slow-to-develop-box-of-ten#latest
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I’d be more concerned about the coin not crossing due to possible “improper cleaning” than I would the rim.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The cleaning is more likely to get it details graded.
Looks cleaned.
Unfortunately, the first thing I was going to type was that it might not cross due to all the hairlines on it from an old cleaning, but I see that everyone who has posted notices the same thing. Regardless, there is only one way to find out and that is to submit it to PCGS and hope you get the outcome you want on the single data point you are paying for. Good luck.
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Thanks for the input. When I put the photo on my computer, even the last photo which is smaller, is five times larger than the actual coin and no hair lines are visible in that photograph. Are we zooming in too much to make a fair opinion, I’m attaching a photo of a coin that was just floating around in my pocket and it’s not cleaned
Next, any further opinions on the rim ding?
To be clear, I’m not looking for the answer I want to hear. I’m trying to learn here. I truly appreciate all the advice
is this quarter cleaned?
My currency "Box of Ten" Thread: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1045579/my-likely-slow-to-develop-box-of-ten#latest
No
I don’t think the opinions of cleaning are due to zooming in too much.
Your quartet doesn’t look cleaned - just circulated and marked-up.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Cool variety 9/7, but definitely cleaned.
Rim "issue" is hard to assess with that gasket...
Looks as made from a distance though.
@stevereecy look at the left of the device (liberty). Notice how the hairlines stop well before the device? That is because with a rag or whatever may have been used, they can't reach into the tiny crevices. Also it sometimes takes a few angles before you can get them to even show, I've even had some not show up except under a loupe even. You may have just happened to get the lighting just right to show them in your images. The camera doesn't lie, generally it can't capture what isn't there.
As far as the rim ding/deformation, like you said manufacturing was inconsistent that far back... I wouldn't personally be too worried about that. As others have stated the cleaning is the primary concern.
One thing I've learned is that one of the only slabs that will fairly consistently crossover are old ANACS soapboxes. Icg, ANACS, and most others, and even ngc, are hit and miss at best and often won't straight cross over without a reduction in grade. A lot of slabs are notorious for grading details coins... Never really had that impression of icg being that way before tho personally. My own impression of icg is that they are generally just over graded.
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Folks mention cleaning due to the hairlines across the surface of your half. The quarter is simply been dropped through too many CoinStar and vending machines, just wear. Actually you'd have preferred wear over cleaning on your coin. That would have just affected overall grade but not caused a details coin.
Mark
Hence the general preference for PCGS or NGC.
Mark
Those other two companies have plenty of coins in straight-grade holders that could or should just as easily be in details-grade holders.
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Thanks for the information. Especially thank you spyglassdesign. I think I’m going to send it back to the seller, I’ll add some money to the equation and buy some thing else for his trouble this time in a different third-party graded slab.
My currency "Box of Ten" Thread: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1045579/my-likely-slow-to-develop-box-of-ten#latest
All kind of subjective, huh? Yet one grade can cost tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars... Yikes!
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I was thinking exactly what @MFeld said.
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Nice original wear quarter, messed with (cleaned/rim ding) half. Pray you can return it without a problem. And the seller should be offering you a little something extra for wasting your time with this problem coin.
I would have to strongly disagree. If the seller listed this as an ICG slabbed coin with pics and you buy it then perhaps you have a problem with ICG not the seller.
There's a difference between random contact marks and fine lines all going in one direction
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** Thanks for the input. When I put the photo on my computer, even the last photo which is smaller, is five times larger than the actual coin and no hair lines are visible in that photograph. Are we zooming in too much to make a fair opinion,**
Regarding this point, please keep in mind the PCGS graders will be tilting the coin under ideal lighting with I assume 5x magnification. They will see the hairlines probably quicker than than we did from the photos.
Overall it’s not a bad coin and has retoned from the old cleaning. But if you want that bust half date in a PCGS holder, buy one that way. The crossover game can be difficult and expensive.
Cleaned was the first impression I got, due to the halo effect around the stars. Remember that graders use a loupe and thus it is large like a pic.
bob
That quarter has no cleaning issues. Not only are hairlines and indication but halos are also an indicator. This quarter has neither.
bob
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