1983 Penny RMM

Brando898 · July 24, 2023 10:14AM

I have a 1983 Penny with what looks like a repunched mint mark. Just wanted to get thoughts on that

telephoto1 · July 24, 2023 10:16AM

Hard to tell whether that's an underlying mm or a coincidental splotch of some sort of crud. I'm leaning towards the latter.

jonathanb · July 24, 2023 10:44AM

@telephoto1 said:
Hard to tell whether that's an underlying mm or a coincidental splotch of some sort of crud. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Since the OP didn't go to varietyvista and didn't find any variety that looks -E-X-A-C-T-L-Y- like that example, there is no leaning involved. Splotch or crud or whatever, it's not an RPM.

Brando898 · July 24, 2023 10:47AM

@jonathanb said:

@telephoto1 said:
Hard to tell whether that's an underlying mm or a coincidental splotch of some sort of crud. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Since the OP didn't go to varietyvista and didn't find any variety that looks -E-X-A-C-T-L-Y- like that example, there is no leaning involved. Splotch or crud or whatever, it's not an RPM.

Do I need to cross reference these things on varietyvista?

jonathanb · July 24, 2023 10:51AM

@Brando898 said:

@jonathanb said:

@telephoto1 said:
Hard to tell whether that's an underlying mm or a coincidental splotch of some sort of crud. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Since the OP didn't go to varietyvista and didn't find any variety that looks -E-X-A-C-T-L-Y- like that example, there is no leaning involved. Splotch or crud or whatever, it's not an RPM.

Do I need to cross reference these things on varietyvista?

I'm sorry, we get a lot of newbies posting here. The short answer is yes, you need to find a matching example on varietyvista if you want people to take you seriously. Close doesn't cut it. If you don't have an exact match, you don't have an RPM.

NewEnglandRarities · July 24, 2023 10:51AM

@Brando898 said:

@jonathanb said:

@telephoto1 said:
Hard to tell whether that's an underlying mm or a coincidental splotch of some sort of crud. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Since the OP didn't go to varietyvista and didn't find any variety that looks -E-X-A-C-T-L-Y- like that example, there is no leaning involved. Splotch or crud or whatever, it's not an RPM.

Do I need to cross reference these things on varietyvista?

It’s a website that gives all the known “errors” or varieties for every year. It’s a good place to check to see if it’s a known and accepted error. I would check there first if I found something “new to my eyes” as 99%+ of the known pieces are listed on the site with a description and photo. As others have mentioned, the coin must match exactly to the photo, otherwise it could be just a die chip, or damage, or anything in between but not considered a variety (or anything special). But of course, there are always new things to find as long as they fit the criteria!

Brando898 · July 24, 2023 10:51AM

I'd never heard of it before, and I thought since they were punched by hand before 90, RPMs didn't recur as-is across the board

jonathanb · July 24, 2023 10:55AM

@Brando898 said:
I'd never heard of it before today, and I figured RPMs were more or less ad hoc.

That is as far from accurate as you can get. Die varieties are varieties of the die. Every coin struck from that die will show the same variety. Figure tens of thousands to maybe a few million identical examples per variety.

Brando898 · July 24, 2023 10:57AM

@jonathanb said:

@Brando898 said:

@jonathanb said:

@telephoto1 said:
Hard to tell whether that's an underlying mm or a coincidental splotch of some sort of crud. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Since the OP didn't go to varietyvista and didn't find any variety that looks -E-X-A-C-T-L-Y- like that example, there is no leaning involved. Splotch or crud or whatever, it's not an RPM.

Do I need to cross reference these things on varietyvista?

I'm sorry, we get a lot of newbies posting here. The short answer is yes, you need to find a matching example on varietyvista if you want people to take you seriously. Close doesn't cut it. If you don't have an exact match, you don't have an RPM.

Thank you

Brando898 · July 24, 2023 11:01AM

@jonathanb said:

@Brando898 said:
I'd never heard of it before today, and I figured RPMs were more or less ad hoc.

That is as far from accurate as you can get. Die varieties are varieties of the die. Every coin struck from that die will show the same variety. Figure tens of thousands to maybe a few million identical examples per variety.

Ok. Sorry for the ignorance, and thank you for your patience.

cmerlo1 · July 24, 2023 11:34AM

It's an issue where the copper plating tore away from the mintmark as it was being raised during the strike- VERY common on zinc Lincolns from this era.

NewEnglandRarities · July 24, 2023 12:19PM

@Brando898 said:

@jonathanb said:

@Brando898 said:
I'd never heard of it before today, and I figured RPMs were more or less ad hoc.

That is as far from accurate as you can get. Die varieties are varieties of the die. Every coin struck from that die will show the same variety. Figure tens of thousands to maybe a few million identical examples per variety.

Ok. Sorry for the ignorance, and thank you for your patience.

Don’t give up. The website and some help from our forum can help you distinguish “nothing” from an actual “variety”. Keep up the search and stay with the hobby.

Greenstang · July 24, 2023 12:44PM

That is known as zinc rot and will only get worse as the air attacks the exposed zinc.
Spend it while you can.As stated, it is very common on zincoins.

ricko · July 25, 2023 9:01AM

@Brando898... Welcome aboard. As above, it appears to be zinc rot or die chip, not a repunched mm. Check out VariteyVista... good information there... Cheers, RickO

1983 Penny RMM

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