I was going to bid on this Buffalo MS 65 till I saw the reverse.

Walkerlover · July 9, 2023 5:53PM

I saw the reverse of this MS 65 Buffalo and I am not sure what is going on, is that damage on the reverse. What should the coin grade, lower, Details. What do you think?

ifthevamzarockin · July 9, 2023 6:05PM

Might be a small strike thru?

FlyingAl · July 9, 2023 6:07PM

Nice little strike through there. Adds some character.

BAJJERFAN · July 9, 2023 6:15PM

Shouldn't that be noted on the insert?

Walkerlover · July 9, 2023 6:32PM

@FlyingAl said:
Nice little strike through there. Adds some character.

What is a strike through? Not familiar with the term. Don’t like it as it looks like a dug out hole

FlyingAl · July 9, 2023 6:36PM

@Walkerlover said:

@FlyingAl said:
Nice little strike through there. Adds some character.

What is a strike through? Not familiar with the term. Don’t like it as it looks like a dug out hole

Something gets between the die and planchet during striking, so the imprint of the foreign debris gets impressed onto the finished coin. Sometimes the debris stays on the coin, but most of the time it falls out and you just have a dent of sorts like here. It won't affect grade generally.

Eighteen63 · July 9, 2023 6:37PM

I always make the decision to bid after examining not just one side but, all sides of a coin. What was it on the obverse that made you think that it’ll receive the precious bean?

https://www.pcgs.com/news/the-two-types-of-struck-through-error-coins

OAKSTAR · July 9, 2023 6:51PM

@BAJJERFAN said:
Shouldn't that be noted on the insert?

Not if the submitter didn't request and pay for attribution.

Walkerlover · July 9, 2023 6:56PM

@FlyingAl said:

@Walkerlover said:

@FlyingAl said:
Nice little strike through there. Adds some character.

What is a strike through? Not familiar with the term. Don’t like it as it looks like a dug out hole

Something gets between the die and planchet during striking, so the imprint of the foreign debris gets impressed onto the finished coin. Sometimes the debris stays on the coin, but most of the time it falls out and you just have a dent of sorts like here. It won't affect grade generally.

Thanks for your input. I am surprised it wouldn’t affect the grade as it still looks like an imperfection. In another thread on my Lincoln penny you mentioned that you thought planchet marks would affect the grade. What’s the difference as both are mint made?

OAKSTAR · July 9, 2023 7:04PM

If it is a struck thru, it happened during the minting process. I don't think the TPG'ers believe it takes away from the grading of the coin.

IkesT · July 9, 2023 7:09PM

I think that's the buffalo wing:

FlyingAl · July 9, 2023 7:09PM

@Walkerlover said:

@FlyingAl said:

@Walkerlover said:

@FlyingAl said:
Nice little strike through there. Adds some character.

What is a strike through? Not familiar with the term. Don’t like it as it looks like a dug out hole

Something gets between the die and planchet during striking, so the imprint of the foreign debris gets impressed onto the finished coin. Sometimes the debris stays on the coin, but most of the time it falls out and you just have a dent of sorts like here. It won't affect grade generally.

Thanks for your input. I am surprised it wouldn’t affect the grade as it still looks like an imperfection. In another thread on my Lincoln penny you mentioned that you thought planchet marks would affect the grade. What’s the difference as both are mint made?

I didn't think the marks on Lincoln's shoulder were planchet marks based on the picture.

TheRegulator · July 9, 2023 7:11PM

Based on the direction of the woodgraining, I'm thinking planchet flaw. Doesn't really bother me, but I'm not a Buffalo guy.

2windy2fish · July 9, 2023 7:13PM

I would hazard a guess that it did get knocked down a grade as these can be had for 55 to 60$ in MS66
Would be hard to justify a regular submission fee for a coin with that value…
You would likely have to be fairly confident of a 66+ or 67 to feel comfy sending one in..

RobertScotLover · July 9, 2023 8:23PM

I am quite ok with it. The Trueview shows beautiful toning, is it accurate?

nexlevelnmx · July 9, 2023 8:55PM

disregard that one pls

OldIndianNutKase · July 9, 2023 9:13PM

Whether or not it is a mint defect, it is a major distraction to the quality of the coin. The coin should be graded as if it is post mint damage. The idea of mint damage is of no significance ans is the ruse and influence of coin dealers on TPG's.

OINK

1madman · July 9, 2023 9:35PM

@Eighteen63 said:
I always make the decision to bid after examining not just one side but, all sides of a coin. What was it on the obverse that made you think that it’ll receive the precious bean?

https://www.pcgs.com/news/the-two-types-of-struck-through-error-coins

So in essence you don’t buy any coins online because you cannot view the edge side?

jmlanzaf · July 9, 2023 10:42PM

@1madman said:

@Eighteen63 said:
I always make the decision to bid after examining not just one side but, all sides of a coin. What was it on the obverse that made you think that it’ll receive the precious bean?

https://www.pcgs.com/news/the-two-types-of-struck-through-error-coins

So in essence you don’t buy any coins online because you cannot view the edge side?

Lol. You can't buy many slabbed coins at all if you require a clear view of the edge.

jmlanzaf · July 9, 2023 10:44PM

@Walkerlover said:

@FlyingAl said:

@Walkerlover said:

@FlyingAl said:
Nice little strike through there. Adds some character.

What is a strike through? Not familiar with the term. Don’t like it as it looks like a dug out hole

Something gets between the die and planchet during striking, so the imprint of the foreign debris gets impressed onto the finished coin. Sometimes the debris stays on the coin, but most of the time it falls out and you just have a dent of sorts like here. It won't affect grade generally.

Thanks for your input. I am surprised it wouldn’t affect the grade as it still looks like an imperfection. In another thread on my Lincoln penny you mentioned that you thought planchet marks would affect the grade. What’s the difference as both are mint made?

How do you know it didn't? You are seeing the grade assigned after consideration of all factors. [Allegedly.]

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Walkerlover · July 9, 2023 10:56PM

@OldIndianNutKase said:
Whether or not it is a mint defect, it is a major distraction to the quality of the coin. The coin should be graded as if it is post mint damage. The idea of mint damage is of no significance ans is the ruse and influence of coin dealers on TPG's.

OINK

I agree with you and I think it should lower the grade from a 65 to perhaps a 63 or so. No way that isn’t a substantial drawback to this coin in my opinion

1Bufffan · July 10, 2023 6:24AM

There are so many 1938-D Buffaloes graded ms65 and above all the way to ms68 that I would move on and pass on this one.

ricko · July 10, 2023 8:16AM

1938D Buffalo nickels tend to have many high grade, slabbed coins available on the market. Keep looking, if that bothers you now, it will bother you even more if you own it. Cheers, RickO

BuffaloIronTail · July 10, 2023 5:04PM

The coin is not one of the nicer coins in the 1938-D litter. No one seemed to comment on the "flaw" right beneath the tail. The back leg looks chewed up too.

The reverse die on the coin looks like it was banged up sometime in its life.

I'm not a die expert by any means, so I won't comment on it other than to point out the "flaws".

Pete

Walkerfan · July 10, 2023 9:08PM

This issue is very plentiful and the noted imperfections are a distraction to me. I’d pass.

Type2 · July 10, 2023 10:26PM

I would have passed on it because of the carbon spots. I don’t like carbon spots.

ChrisH821 · July 11, 2023 2:42PM

I would say strike-through.
38-D's can be easily found in 66 or 67. Good choice not to settle for this sub-par 65.

logger7 · July 11, 2023 3:08PM

Buffalos lead a rough and tumble life, and apparently heal up well.

I was going to bid on this Buffalo MS 65 till I saw the reverse.

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