Prooflike 1855 Seated Dollar
Just got this back from NGC. No AU/UNC comps from NGC in over a decade but recent PCGS prices are very strong 🙃. What do you think?
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I'm not sure what the question is, but PL surfaces are not unusual for a mint state 1855.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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More seems PL than less.
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Very cool coin
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Real nice!
Collector, occasional seller
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@MrEureka said:
I'm not sure what the question is, but PL surfaces are not unusual for a mint state 1855.It’s the only one, I just asked what everyone thought.
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Nice looking coin but what’s going on with the three spots on the obverse?
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Just brown spots 🤷. I’ll leave the conservation for the next person.
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@bignubnumismatics1 said:
@MrEureka said:
I'm not sure what the question is, but PL surfaces are not unusual for a mint state 1855.It’s the only one, I just asked what everyone thought.
I am not really sure what "its the only one mean". I am assuming you are speaking about what the ngc pops report, which means absolutely nothing. First off ngc is not reliable for such determinations and the pop reports ar meaningless since the pl designation is more subjective than even the grade itself, and I am wondering when ngc started ruling on such a die state and just because there is only one in the pps doesn't mean that no others exist or that they are unusual. the 1855 date is rare in and of itself, and probably only new ngc holders would have such a designation plus ngc is super loose as a goose in all respects.
I myself have an 1855 in high grade and it is also pl but who cares since that is they way in which they were typically manufactured.0 -
I like it a lot.
It would look nice next to a proof Trade dollar.
These coins are so neat when they haven't been abused.0 -
Cool United ates of Erica variety 😅
Very nice coin… thanks for sharing!0 -
@RobertScotLover said:
@bignubnumismatics1 said:
@MrEureka said:
I'm not sure what the question is, but PL surfaces are not unusual for a mint state 1855.It’s the only one, I just asked what everyone thought.
I am not really sure what "its the only one mean". I am assuming you are speaking about what the ngc pops report, which means absolutely nothing. First off ngc is not reliable for such determinations and the pop reports ar meaningless since the pl designation is more subjective than even the grade itself, and I am wondering when ngc started ruling on such a die state and just because there is only one in the pps doesn't mean that no others exist or that they are unusual. the 1855 date is rare in and of itself, and probably only new ngc holders would have such a designation plus ngc is super loose as a goose in all respects.
I myself have an 1855 in high grade and it is also pl but who cares since that is they way in which they were typically manufactured.This was a reholder and regrade from 2008.
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BTW one of the only visible pup for an 1855 proof trade dollar is the last "A" in AMERICA has 2 tiny short stubby lines in the loupe of the "A". Yours doesn't have it thus it isn't a proof.
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@RobertScotLover said:
@bignubnumismatics1 said:
@MrEureka said:
I'm not sure what the question is, but PL surfaces are not unusual for a mint state 1855.It’s the only one, I just asked what everyone thought.
I am not really sure what "its the only one mean". I am assuming you are speaking about what the ngc pops report, which means absolutely nothing. First off ngc is not reliable for such determinations and the pop reports ar meaningless since the pl designation is more subjective than even the grade itself, and I am wondering when ngc started ruling on such a die state and just because there is only one in the pps doesn't mean that no others exist or that they are unusual. the 1855 date is rare in and of itself, and probably only new ngc holders would have such a designation plus ngc is super loose as a goose in all respects.
I myself have an 1855 in high grade and it is also pl but who cares since that is they way in which they were typically manufactured.Coins of this type have been eligible for the NGC “PL” designation since 2003 and I don’t think it’s any more subjective than grades, themselves. Additionally, NGC isn’t “super loose as a goose in all respects.” On the other hand, you just generalized as loosely as a goose in all respects.
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I think it is a very nice coin.... Particularly the reverse. Cheers, RickO
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Wow! Maybe 30 of these exist in BU.
This is a very attractive coin for an MS-61, from pic! Much luster and no distracting abrasions. Especially nice if one's preference is the blast white appearance! Not many to choose from at any rate.Thank you for making my Saturday morning peruse of this message board even more enjoyable!
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I want to apologize for saying" super loose as a goose". Was not meant to be bash anyone or thing. Just messing around a little on the forum. Half my collection is housed in PCGS holders and the other half is in NGC holders. I respect both grading companies and use them repeatedly even though at times it seems like all grading companies loosen and tighten their standards as they age. I will note that NGC seemed to loosen up their standards last year while PCGS seemed to tighten their grading standards. I have to surmise that this fluctuation is pretty natural considering what they are in the business of doing along with the fact that grading is and has always been subjective. As collectors we also need to become experts in grading so as not to rely on others blindly. I would think that the grading companies want a knowledgable base to transact with and appreciate educated consumers. Case in point look at all the information and knowledge both grading companies , PCGS & NGC , provide, supply and support including this very forum.
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I like the reverse 👍
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@RobertScotLover said:
I want to apologize for saying" super loose as a goose". Was not meant to be bash anyone or thing. Just messing around a little on the forum. Half my collection is housed in PCGS holders and the other half is in NGC holders. I respect both grading companies and use them repeatedly even though at times it seems like all grading companies loosen and tighten their standards as they age. I will note that NGC seemed to loosen up their standards last year while PCGS seemed to tighten their grading standards. I have to surmise that this fluctuation is pretty natural considering what they are in the business of doing along with the fact that grading is and has always been subjective. As collectors we also need to become experts in grading so as not to rely on others blindly. I would think that the grading companies want a knowledgable base to transact with and appreciate educated consumers. Case in point look at all the information and knowledge both grading companies , PCGS & NGC , provide, supply and support including this very forum.You do a lot of extrapolation from minimal evidence. That's all I'll say about this.
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MS66,
I would like to respond to your comment which I welcome.
I have a personal problem with grading companies adding PL to many coin series. IMHO it is too add value where there should be no additional value added. Many series come that way, PL, and it isn't any special to the collector that it does. Why mention something that is absolutely normal for a series. I say leave it off, and don't try to separate from those that don't have the designation. I would like coins not to be sold at premiums if they don't really deserve it.
That is all I was trying to comment on. And what I say about certain series coming common as pl is easy to substantiate.0 -
@johnny9434 said:
I like the reverse 👍
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Tough date! Super looking example.
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