GTG $20 Saint (Revealed)

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steveben
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edited May 26, 2023 8:51AM in U.S. Coin Forum

care to guess?


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  • Steven59
    Steven59 Posts: 11,230 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice - I'll go 65

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  • streeter
    streeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

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  • Batman23
    Batman23 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My first thought is 64. But wouldn't be surprised with 65.

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64 give or take a grade or two. ;)

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  • CharlotteDude
    CharlotteDude Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64. MS65 if it had a mint mark.

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  • 1madman
    1madman Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

  • scubafuel
    scubafuel Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66

  • lermish
    lermish Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

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  • wozymodo
    wozymodo Posts: 138 ✭✭✭
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    65

  • scotty4449
    scotty4449 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am going to use the grading formula that seems to work best for me. Take the grade that pops into my head first, 65, and reduce the grade down one = MS64!

  • Texas77
    Texas77 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64+

  • BloodMan
    BloodMan Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I really like your Saint.
    I'm going to say 64 in the rattler. Perhaps it would grade 65 by today's standards.

  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

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  • spyglassdesign
    spyglassdesign Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65

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  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    nice
    64

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  • PeakRarities
    PeakRarities Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    looks solid 4/4+

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That is a very nice gold Saint... I would say MS64... Cheers, RickO

  • JJM
    JJM Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65+ ?

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  • skier07
    skier07 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks 64-65 so I’ll guess 64+.

    Nice coin BTW.

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65.

  • HillbillyCollector
    HillbillyCollector Posts: 736 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

  • coinkat
    coinkat Posts: 24,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Interesting grade... seems to memorialize a certain point in TPG development and the rationale today as to why rattlers remain popular while trading at a premium.

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I clumsily missed the rattler signs. Would have been more conservative and still wrong. Tough grade.

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There may have been hairlines or some other flaws that aren't showing up in the pics shown in the opening post which resulted in the guessed grades being higher than the grades assigned by the PCGS graders who actually examined the coin in hand. Or, perhaps the PCGS graders were just plain wrong. That's why PCGS has a reconsideration service after all.

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  • steveben
    steveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PerryHall said:
    There may have been hairlines or some other flaws that aren't showing up in the pics shown in the opening post which resulted in the guessed grades being higher than the grades assigned by the PCGS graders who actually examined the coin in hand. Or, perhaps the PCGS graders were just plain wrong. That's why PCGS has a reconsideration service after all.

    well, grading is very subjective. i saw this coin and thought, that is a 64, easy! cac seems to agree that its better than 62. most people here guessed 64. my photos aren't the greatest, but i can say it doesn't have any hairlines...just a few spots, which you can see on the eagle on the rev. there is one of the obv. there are a few marks here and there consistent with 64. not sure why it was graded so low. either way, its just a common bullion piece, but has a nice look!

  • Steven59
    Steven59 Posts: 11,230 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wow, never thought 62 - even in the old holder.

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  • johnnyb
    johnnyb Posts: 90 ✭✭✭
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    You can never go wrong with an older holder plus gold cac. It’s a nice coin. I would have guessed 64 but I came on the scene too late.

  • skier07
    skier07 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A 62 rattler with a gold sticker is kind of equivalent to a 64 with todays grading standards.

  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very pretty coin. I would almost never buy a coin for the slab, but that is a really cool coin/slab/CAC combination.

    Higashiyama
  • BuffaloIronTail
    BuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The coin is nicer than the MS-63 Saint I had in an OGH holder.

    It has less dings for sure, so I thought it was a lock at 64.

    Go figure.

    Pete

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am really surprised, but the gold CAC sticker makes me feel better.... Looks like a candidate for reconsideration or a raw submittal. Though it would probably sell for a profit based on the rattler and gold sticker. Cheers, RickO

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