Where would you grade these raw 1889 Carson City Morgans?
goldrealmoney79
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These two listings caught my eye. While the first one sold for higher, I was surprised since I though it would grade lower than the second one. Curious to hear more experienced eyes and collectors thoughts.
1889 CC#1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325643890764?
1889 CC #2
https://www.ebay.com/itm/125921514798?
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The first won't grade. I believe it may even be a fake. At the least it has been cleaned.
The second is a lot more desirable and is real.
Compare the reverse dentils on both coins.
bob
Changed my mind, I concur on both as no bueno.
I would grade them both Chinese, and from the same dies at that. Of course Morgans aren’t my area of expertise but they both have the same mushy fake look. Or am I being too suspicious?
Both look like counterfeits to me.
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4k+ for these? Yikes.
Well, just Love coins, period.
They look fake and the photography looks over processed and manipulated
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I would grade them in my living room in my boxers.
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Amazing bids.
The link below is another 1889 CC counterfeit that seller #2 sold on may 4th. This is a different counterfeit coin, but off the same dies. All three of the counterfeits have thick CC mint marks that do not match any genuine examples and the base of the E in America is broken, but there is a genuine example VAM that matches the broken E.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/125906855770?hash=item1d50a2275a:g:NcgAAOSwKupkSp1E
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VAM reverse comparison:
The both are replica done in China. Not only the design but also the weight and the Silver. Just looking and could be see.
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Both listings have now been pulled.... Good work. It is a never ending battle. Cheers, RickO
You beat me to it @ricko ...
The thick CC shown on the VAM 2 is from a normal date position 1889 CC. Both counterfeits have the far date 1889 CC. I could not find a far date with the thick CC.
They also don't match.
Some pictures from the link
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
Links are now dead...clearly reported as fakes.
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
They were...
The two coins that the OP listed were 1889 CC Morgan's that had already been sold. What is the value or reason to remove a listing of a fake that has already been sold?
I would hope that eBay contacted the buyer, so they could get a refund.
Over 10 years ago I flagged a $10,000 1889-CC that sold for $3,000 on e-bay. The auction had just closed and when reported the auction result as cancelled by e-bay. The coin was from Hong Kong. I assume the Chinese have been faking this particular coin for quite a while.
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