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looking for some advice on these coins I picked up. These look like they were graded by an illegitimate grading service, and I'M going to send them to PCGS to get them graded, Should I send these as a crossover, or should I crack them out and send them as a raw coin? 
My fears are that if I send them as a crossover they will not grade out and I will waste a bunch of money, however if I send them as a crossover, it's like suggesting the grade and that might work out good for me.?  Thanks for the help

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just hope for your sake that the coins are genuine in those holders! :#

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Crack' em!

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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Crack out

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    djmdjm Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think you should submit them to PCGS for grading. I think they would come back as genuine Altered Surfaces. Look at the scratch on Liberty's Cheek on the 1887-O the frosting goes into the scratch. The 1883-CC appears that the field has been worked on. I could be wrong, if I am someone will let me know.

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Put them on the BST, maybe some of the holder collectors will buy them

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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know what you paid, but if you paid anywhere near established prices then you might as well have put together a fat pile of twenty-dollar bills and lit them with a match. At least then you could watch your funds burn away. If you submit these to PCGS you might as well burn another pile of bills.

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    2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Crack them out…

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks as if you took a chance and did not do well. I would recommend you sell them as is and take what you can get. Then stick with top tier TPG's until you learn more about grading and pricing. Good luck, Cheers, RickO

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    MarkMark Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not collect holders so I do not know if this is a good advice or not but before I cracked those out of the holders, I would try to check if the holders themselves had value. Others who posted in this thread may know, I simply do not. I also am unsure how I would go about researching if the holders are valuable. I believe @Lakesammman is into PCGS holders but I do not know if he also collects other third party holders. If he doesn't, maybe he knows someone who does?

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    Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are well over 100 documented grading companies - here is a partial list:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/469824/who-has-the-list-of-all-slabbing-services

    There is a comprehensive website that lists them all, but I can’t find the link right now. Someone will probably post it shortly. Most of these services are worthless.

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't get a good read on the top coin but the CC looks hinky to me. Both "grading services", aren't.


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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Project Numismatics said:
    There are well over 100 documented grading companies - here is a partial list:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/469824/who-has-the-list-of-all-slabbing-services

    There is a comprehensive website that lists them all, but I can’t find the link right now. Someone will probably post it shortly. Most of these services are worthless.

    This is the most comprehensive list of legit TPG's (current and defunct) and basement self slabbers that I know of.

    https://coinauctionshelp.com/IGA_TPGS.html#.ZEwdwfzMJPa

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    streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 87-0 has an irregular field indeed.

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    GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those holders in themselves have no value.
    You could not even sell them on eBay as they are not one of their recognized TPG’s.

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    Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @Project Numismatics said:
    There are well over 100 documented grading companies - here is a partial list:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/469824/who-has-the-list-of-all-slabbing-services

    There is a comprehensive website that lists them all, but I can’t find the link right now. Someone will probably post it shortly. Most of these services are worthless.

    This is the most comprehensive list of legit TPG's (current and defunct) and basement self slabbers that I know of.

    https://coinauctionshelp.com/IGA_TPGS.html#.ZEwdwfzMJPa

    That’s the list - thank you for posting the link - very helpful. Though I don’t necessarily see the OP’s slabbing companies on the list, there are likely dozens or more additional slabbing companies.

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