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Why is this just an MS63 and it wont CAC at that grade. I don't know the series well.
Clackamas1
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Why is this just an MS63 and it wont CAC at that grade. I don't know the series well.
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Did you send it in yourself? I don't know enough about CAC's standards to answer your question, but they are tough on gold.
I did send it myself. I purchased the coin after hand viewing it at a heritage auction like 20 years ago. It looks better than an MS63 so I bought it for MS63 money. It crossed at PCGS as an MS63. I want to crack it to see and then resubmit. I will say I purchased an NGC MS66 St. cracked it it came back as a 65 at PCGS, I cracked it again it went MS66 and then got CAC. My thought is that it won't CAC because they can't see everything. Just my thought.
That is a beautiful coin. I love it.
From past discussions with people regarding $10 Indians there is a chance that the graders at CAC see a rub in the obverse feathers or reverse Eagle. I can't say that is the case with your coin but could explain things. A friend has a MS62 $10 Indian that is beautiful but was told there is a rub in the feathers which makes it an AU58 in their eyes.
There are going to be a lot of 62/63 gold coins put in CACG 58 holders for this reason.
Completed All CAC approved Classic Head $5 set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/album/344241
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
What would they see that would make the grade go up?
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Nice gold Eagle... Perhaps the lack of luster is preventing the CAC approval... At least the luster does not show in the picture ... Cheers, RickO
Sometimes they'll see a patch of hairlines that they don't like that does not show up in the pics.
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Don’t like the coin - C coin in my view. Would pass if offered at my table.
I don’t see it above 63. CAC does not see it above a C coin in the grade range. I agree with their conclusion. Pricing readout: CPG $2250 with CAC $2700. CDN bid non CAC around $1800.
I don’t like the dark spots on it nor what looks like a scratch in the lt obv field. An average quality 63 certainly not PQ (A) or solid quality (B). Ding on neck and spots on headress and reverse. Looks like one would get bluesheet sight unseen or C coin back in old sight unseen Teletrade days. Sent a number of them back.
Clackamas - How does it look against other 63's? It looks nice (I'm not an expert in this series), but perhaps this particular date/mm is known to be exceptionally nice so this particular piece is less than one would otherwise expect.
There appears to be some "hits" or strike weakness in the center reverse. Hard to tell though with out the con in hand. Also a rim bumps at 12;00 and 8:00......
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Call CAC and ask them why it did not sticker.
JA absolutely hates rim dings. This could be a factor. Also when zooming in, there is a very faint pinkish looking hue in the middle of the headband moving to the hair. What does this look like in hand? Artifact? Any opacity in hand?
I am also curious as to why the obverse is on the right of the Trueview and the reverse on the left.
Don’t know why it didn’t CAC, but me like 👍🏻
can't speak for cac, but only speculate...maybe its this area:
i like your coin though!
Tough to tell from a TrueView but perhaps the lighter area.
This is good information.
The more important question is why PCGS switched obverse and reverse on your Trueview, it keeps throwing me off. Great coin though!
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CAC is overall very good at evaluating coins in holders. When CACG begins accepting submissions you can crack the coin out and send it to them. I think the likelihood of submitting to PCGS, getting a new certification number, and having CAC sticker it is not very high and probably not cost effective.
I collected this series for a number of years. Here are some possibilities given there is only a photo:
1) As stated above it's possible there are hairlines due to cleaning.
2) CAC spotted some putty.
3) It's really an AU58 (according to CAC)
4) As stated above the rim dings
HTH
jom
It’s an average quality 63. C coin. If shopped around bourse it wb doing good get offer of 80 pct CDN bid IMO. Not surprised it did not pass to get sticker.
If your not good at grading and looking at coins would suggest Graded MS 69 bullion gold. Looks real nice, costs less, no holder / sticker game.
Trying to tell why a coin got a 63 from a glam photo shoot is like asking why a womens picture doesn't actually look like her from a dating site hook up.
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That's not the same though. The former can only make you look bad. The latter could get you killed.
jom
Really? You think an AGE is a substitute for a $10 Indian? It would be even more cost effective to get a roll of quarters from the bank.
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Some of the “distractions” listed by others above is why it’s a 63 and not graded higher. Perhaps not getting the sticker is due to a “surface” issue, not a planchet issue?
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Clearly, he didn't know his audience, when he made his comments.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Does CACG not allow crossovers with a minimum grade? I think your scenario is unlikely as I also think CACG will also loosen if it wants submissions and the revenue that comes with it.
I believe that minimum grade crossovers will be allowed. I also believe that CACG wont loosen their standards in order to get more submissions.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
If you want a CACG holder this scenario is very likely. I am not saying anyone should down grade a coin but some people really like CAC
Completed All CAC approved Classic Head $5 set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/album/344241
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
Yeah I have about 300+ of those as a private collector (not graded and around 10,000 silvers not graded) so I will stick to buying types and getting some unique coins to my collection. BTW - I type collect mostly by dates. 1868. 1871,1902,1906, 1968,1971,2002,2006. I appreciate your thoughts; I did play the bullion grading game at one point and did quite well. Check out those date sets, if you find a coin I need I am all ears.
Only thing that sticks out to me if i'm being very picky are the rims. The rest of the coin looks ok.
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It has MS66+ surface preservation. The coin is nearly flawless. Yes it is not flawless but If this was a Lincoln cent it is a 66+ for sure. MS63 - on a non gold coin - wtf/. Certainly not an MS63
I agree with you about the rub. I wouldn't necessarily consider a bit of rub "wear" but I'm not CAC. I have a MS 62 $20 Lib that has a bit of rub on the obverse and it didn't sticker. But from what I can see there is nothing on the reverse. The coin has great eye appeal IMO and will be staying in its current holder.