Four large cents discussion

[Deleted User] · January 11, 2023 9:49PM

I have a bunch of coins here. I don't collect any of these. What I collect is listed below.
I'm going to sell these and I want to give accurate grades with decent images.
This is what I have and please feel free to kindly give your opinion.

1818 G4 It looks like a die error or cud?

1834 Large 8 and stars Med letters Fine 12 or 15

1847 Looks like chop marks or something similar. I'm sure I will learn something here. The images are deceiving. The marks are recessed. Not on the surface. Tempting to clean out but I decided to post first.

1803 Large date Large fraction VG 10 or fine 12. I cannot determine this on my own. Some details look nicer than on some of the VG images I compared this to while some of them looked less than the 12. This is why I was leaning towards VG 10.

braddick · January 11, 2023 10:30PM

The 1847 was called a Brothel Token.

Here's additional info:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/exonumia104330.html

TomB · January 12, 2023 12:13AM

I'm not certain that the 1847 was a Brothel Token as N from ONE is also pretty messed up. I'd lean toward simple damage on that piece.

They're all damaged pretty heavily and your best move might simply be to sell them to a local coin shop and be done with them. You can attempt to grade them based upon remaining details, but they would then be further net graded because of their issues. If you have tons of coins like this they can be a time-sink as individually they are worth little, yet if you attempt to move them one at a time they will soak up everything you have.

jmlanzaf · January 12, 2023 1:44AM

They are all damaged.

Chevyrose · January 12, 2023 4:49AM

I bid $6

Chevyrose · January 12, 2023 4:49AM

For the lot

[Deleted User] · January 12, 2023 5:20AM

I agree with you Tom. I took brutally honest images because that's how I want to be. It wouldnt take much effort to lower the lights a little bit and darken the surfaces to cast them in a better light. I just dont want to be that way. Thank you for your time to look and post. I wanted to be sure I got the varieties correct as well.
I was thinking anything over 4c would be a bonus.
I'll pass on the $6 but thank you for your offer.

jmlanzaf · January 12, 2023 5:25AM

@Chevyrose said:
I bid $6

That will be a fine addition to your collection.

RLSnapper · January 12, 2023 6:00AM

Nice pictures. The coins would be great for young numismatists or as gifts for non coin collecting friends. It's always great to be able to hold history in your hands and know you aren't damaging the coin in any way.

Walkerguy21D · January 12, 2023 6:33AM

I wouldn’t get too hung up on splitting the technical grades on these.
Paramount is the damage, scratches, etc. that will determine the value.

ricko · January 12, 2023 6:42AM

Damaged coins... with the damage superseding any grade that may be offered. If they were mine, I would simply keep them for historical reference. Cheers, RickO

TwoSides2aCoin · January 12, 2023 7:31AM

It's hard to kindly give my opinion. You gotta love copper.

rec78 · January 12, 2023 7:33AM

To get rid of them simply ebay them. You may get $15 for the 1803, however, I am not a large cent expert. You may even get more. Giving them to a new collector would certainly generate his/her interest in coin collecting.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 12, 2023 7:38AM

On the flip side , I would keep the 1803 as a starter in a type set, although it has issues...it's got character.
The others, I would buy , and bury with culled silver coins, scrap silver & gold jewelry.... and then host a metal detecting clinic. I know a lot of people around here would say "yeah.... fun".
Finders keepers ! I admire your researching and appreciate your posting.

Chevyrose · January 12, 2023 7:47AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Chevyrose said:
I bid $6

That will be a fine addition to your collection.

I save any and all copper I come across in a giant copper bowl

Not to mention my high grade slabbed copper

logger7 · January 12, 2023 7:54AM

I had a group of large cents that were a tad better, not the type of deliberate damage that happened to most of those at some point and was surprised that there was a lot of demand anyway. Would try ebay as buy it nows.

lcutler · January 12, 2023 7:57AM

The 1803 still has decent value. Not as damaged as the others, and draped bust cents are always in demand. I’d be willing to bet that would bring well over $50.

[Deleted User] · January 12, 2023 10:06AM

Redbook puts that 1834 at a premium if it's the variety I believe it is. I am not 100% sure I am correct though. Look at the PCGS app some really rough coins of this type have brought some good money. However, that's not what my post is about entirely. I am also training my eye for varieties. It's an exercise of learning as well. I do know what these coins are condition wise and I know I brought out the flaws intentionally. Cool historic artifacts no question about that.
Wouldn't it be great if everyone on ebay gave images that were so precise.

291fifth · January 12, 2023 11:33AM

Damaged culls. Dump them as quickly as possible and don't waste your time or money buying any more problem coins.

Aotearoa · January 12, 2023 12:08PM

It looks like the 1803 is an S-260, an R.1 coin. So no bonus value there.

[Deleted User] · January 12, 2023 12:20PM

@291fifth said:
Damaged culls. Dump them as quickly as possible and don't waste your time or money buying any more problem coins.

I appreciate the advice, thank you.
I didn't buy them. I have alot of coins to go through.

Walkerguy21D · January 12, 2023 3:17PM

@Watchtower said:
Redbook puts that 1834 at a premium if it's the variety I believe it is. I am not 100% sure I am correct though. Look at the PCGS app some really rough coins of this type have brought some good money. However, that's not what my post is about entirely. I am also training my eye for varieties. It's an exercise of learning as well. I do know what these coins are condition wise and I know I brought out the flaws intentionally. Cool historic artifacts no question about that.
Wouldn't it be great if everyone on ebay gave images that were so precise.

The 1834 is either the N3 or N4, large date, small stars, low 3, medium letters, most likely the N3.
Without the scratches it would be ~$75 or so.

lkenefic · January 12, 2023 3:27PM

As others have already said... all are damaged in some way. The 1803 appears to be the least damaged of the four and Draped Bust Large Cents always have a draw. I'd grade it VG8 details...

Edited to add... also, no one has mentioned the green corrosion yet so I wonder if it's the color on my monitor or if it's the coins...

[Deleted User] · January 12, 2023 3:45PM

Pocket piece for sure!
I'm going to keep it stuffed in my wallet. Maybe someday I will give it away to a youngster in the family who expresses interest in it. You kind of know it when you see it. If they keep going back for another look you know you got them started. If they toss it to the side and could care less then it's a flop.
I love it. Cost me nothing and I got an education and a lot of good discussion. Many experienced numismatis on this forum likely from all walks of life. Rich or poor we can come enjoy each other's coins.
I know one thing for sure when I am ready to step up and buy something over $5k I am coming here to talk about it first.
Thanks guys.

jmlanzaf · January 12, 2023 3:55PM

@291fifth said:
Damaged culls. Dump them as quickly as possible and don't waste your time or money buying any more problem coins.

And yet if someone suggested melting them...

Nothing wrong with culls as long as you pay cull money.

[Deleted User] · January 12, 2023 4:04PM

It's a much better coin now. This is what happens all to often on ebay. Many reputable dealers on ebay no doubt about that. But you do see plenty of this going on.

jmlanzaf · January 12, 2023 7:45PM

@Watchtower said:
It's a much better coin now. This is what happens all to often on ebay. Many reputable dealers on ebay no doubt about that. But you do see plenty of this going on.

What am I supposed to be seeing? Dark pictures?

Chevyrose · January 12, 2023 8:16PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Watchtower said:
It's a much better coin now. This is what happens all to often on ebay. Many reputable dealers on ebay no doubt about that. But you do see plenty of this going on.

What am I supposed to be seeing? Dark pictures?

I think you try to see how many times you can comment in every thread

Your sarcasm is incredibly dry

Stop trying to be the smartest person in the room

You aren’t

jmlanzaf · January 13, 2023 1:23AM

@Chevyrose said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Watchtower said:
It's a much better coin now. This is what happens all to often on ebay. Many reputable dealers on ebay no doubt about that. But you do see plenty of this going on.

What am I supposed to be seeing? Dark pictures?

I think you try to see how many times you can comment in every thread

Your sarcasm is incredibly dry

Stop trying to be the smartest person in the room

You aren’t

That was a legitimate question. It's not clear to me what the seller is being accused of, other than using a dark photo.

Other than it is your charming personality, I don't know why you feel the need to lash out.

Have you tried the NGC forum?

Chevyrose · January 13, 2023 3:08AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Chevyrose said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Watchtower said:
It's a much better coin now. This is what happens all to often on ebay. Many reputable dealers on ebay no doubt about that. But you do see plenty of this going on.

What am I supposed to be seeing? Dark pictures?

I think you try to see how many times you can comment in every thread

Your sarcasm is incredibly dry

Stop trying to be the smartest person in the room

You aren’t

That was a legitimate question. It's not clear to me what the seller is being accused of, other than using a dark photo.

Other than it is your charming personality, I don't know why you feel the need to lash out.

Have you tried the NGC forum?

If you’re a real collector post a coin

You accuse me of being a troll, however you troll every thread

You don’t possess knowledge you think you do

jmlanzaf · January 13, 2023 4:17AM

@Chevyrose said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Chevyrose said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Watchtower said:
It's a much better coin now. This is what happens all to often on ebay. Many reputable dealers on ebay no doubt about that. But you do see plenty of this going on.

What am I supposed to be seeing? Dark pictures?

I think you try to see how many times you can comment in every thread

Your sarcasm is incredibly dry

Stop trying to be the smartest person in the room

You aren’t

That was a legitimate question. It's not clear to me what the seller is being accused of, other than using a dark photo.

Other than it is your charming personality, I don't know why you feel the need to lash out.

Have you tried the NGC forum?

If you’re a real collector post a coin

You accuse me of being a troll, however you troll every thread

You don’t possess knowledge you think you do

Knowledge about dark vs light?

How many coins do I have to show to prove myself worthy of you? Why am I supposed to care that you, of all people, don't approve of me?

I've never claimed any knowledge that I don't possess. Although i do know how to recognize a cleaned 55/55 without needing PCGS to do it for me.

Here's a box of coins. Now that I'm worthy, am I free to continue to ask questions? Maybe drop another tab. Or switch to weed. That might mellow you out.

[Deleted User] · January 13, 2023 4:49AM

As the saying goes "crap rolls down hill"

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