What a great teaching tool my coin, were it to remain in the original slab, would be for the next generation of graders at PCGS. I can see this coin, in its original slab, being passed around the room for would-be PCGS graders/authenticators to examine. After the class instructor tells PCGS founder David Hall's story about what David's son said he would do if only he could acquire a 1909-S V.D.B. for his collection, wave the slab in his hand in front of the class and say, " With a total mintage of only 484,000 pieces, 1909-S V.D.B. is the holy grail for Lincoln cent collectors, ladies and gentlemen. We would be interested in everyone here's opinion about this one."
“The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
“Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
“Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
“We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
“Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”
Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.
You all are welcome. Eventually, I will probably publish pictures of the full slab with it's cert #. It occurs to me that some may think the slab could be counterfeit. Incidentally, the dealer who sold me my 1909-S V.D.B. never shows the picture of the full slab of the coin he is trying to sell. He guarantees every coin he sells to be authentic so if it comes down to money back no worries here.
“The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
“Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
“Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
“We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
“Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”
Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.
I am still a little confused but that is nothing new.
I found an image of a 1909 S no VDB that the mint mark seems to match the position of yours.
Can you confirm if it is the same?
You said: "By doing comparison of my supplied image of my PCGS graded S V.D.B with PCGS's four images (of presumably all 1909-S V.D.B's), it should be easy to tell that my coin's 'S' position does not match"
Are you saying there are more than the 4 obverse mint mark positions than shown above?
Are you saying that the die/mint mark used for the 09 S was also used for the 09 SVDB? (photo below)
Sorry for the stupid questions but sometimes my comprehension skills leave a little to be desired.
mr1874, why is the F15 coin you are showing here different from the one you posted in the graded PCGS S-VDB thread? Let's see a pic of the holder of the coin with the low S here. Do you have 2 PCGS F15 coins?
@Picker1954 This is an old thread that got bumped, the coin mr1874 posted in this thread was found to be a counterfeit. He returned the coin in this thread for the coin in the new thread.
@ifthevamzarockin said: @Picker1954 This is an old thread that got bumped, the coin mr1874 posted in this thread was found to be a counterfeit. He returned the coin in this thread for the coin in the new thread.
He should have shown us a pic of the slab then for educational purposes. So, I guess all of his pontifications were as phony as his coin.
for some reason i'm having a heck of a time getting that info about the shallow N reverse to stick and it seems to really be one of the best/easiest/quickest identifiers to start with and of course counterfeits can have the proper version but as ITVR put it, if it is wrong, it is one and done.
is it JUST the N in united or are the other Ns also a factor?
and which is the good N. shallow or deep?
t.i.a.
edited to add: thanks for the TTT for this thread. i've been wondering where the OP is.
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just for curiosity sake, i looked up S, VDB and P for 1909 and see some variance of the shallow vs deep N.
what is REALLY weird, is that the VDB reverse has the shallow and deep N, while the P and S appear to have the shallow.
i would have expected the deep N to have been on the P or S, not the VDB reverse where on the S VDB shallow is good and deep is bad but for the VDB, the opposite is true?????
where is that thread, if we could go back and talk to numismatic people of the past, put me down for EVERY era and especially those in charge of the mint production of coins. wow
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What a great teaching tool my coin, were it to remain in the original slab, would be for the next generation of graders at PCGS. I can see this coin, in its original slab, being passed around the room for would-be PCGS graders/authenticators to examine. After the class instructor tells PCGS founder David Hall's story about what David's son said he would do if only he could acquire a 1909-S V.D.B. for his collection, wave the slab in his hand in front of the class and say, " With a total mintage of only 484,000 pieces, 1909-S V.D.B. is the holy grail for Lincoln cent collectors, ladies and gentlemen. We would be interested in everyone here's opinion about this one."
“The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
“Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
“Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
“We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
“Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”
Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.
Dolly Parton (1946-2026)
@Mr1874 Your coin is a wonderful teaching tool, thank you very much for taking the time to share it with the forum.
You all are welcome. Eventually, I will probably publish pictures of the full slab with it's cert #. It occurs to me that some may think the slab could be counterfeit. Incidentally, the dealer who sold me my 1909-S V.D.B. never shows the picture of the full slab of the coin he is trying to sell. He guarantees every coin he sells to be authentic so if it comes down to money back no worries here.
“The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
“Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
“Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
“We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
“Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”
Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.
Dolly Parton (1946-2026)
I believe that's the same as my 09-S
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mr1874, why is the F15 coin you are showing here different from the one you posted in the graded PCGS S-VDB thread? Let's see a pic of the holder of the coin with the low S here. Do you have 2 PCGS F15 coins?
@Picker1954 This is an old thread that got bumped, the coin mr1874 posted in this thread was found to be a counterfeit. He returned the coin in this thread for the coin in the new thread.
He should have shown us a pic of the slab then for educational purposes. So, I guess all of his pontifications were as phony as his coin.
for some reason i'm having a heck of a time getting that info about the shallow N reverse to stick and it seems to really be one of the best/easiest/quickest identifiers to start with and of course counterfeits can have the proper version but as ITVR put it, if it is wrong, it is one and done.
is it JUST the N in united or are the other Ns also a factor?
and which is the good N. shallow or deep?
t.i.a.
edited to add: thanks for the TTT for this thread. i've been wondering where the OP is.
There was a pic of the slab in one of the many threads mr1874 hijacked.
It appeared to be a genuine PCGS slab.
@LanceNewmanOCC
"is it JUST the N in united or are the other Ns also a factor?"
Just the N in United.
"and which is the good N. shallow or deep?"
The shallow (Type 1) is the one for the S VDB
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TY. will do my best to get it to stick this time.
so this image on the previous page, is correct and what i should use?
I saved the images:
Cert was updated:
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just for curiosity sake, i looked up S, VDB and P for 1909 and see some variance of the shallow vs deep N.
what is REALLY weird, is that the VDB reverse has the shallow and deep N, while the P and S appear to have the shallow.
i would have expected the deep N to have been on the P or S, not the VDB reverse where on the S VDB shallow is good and deep is bad but for the VDB, the opposite is true?????
where is that thread, if we could go back and talk to numismatic people of the past, put me down for EVERY era and especially those in charge of the mint production of coins. wow
@LanceNewmanOCC I covered the use of the shallow & deep N in this thread.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1068311/1909-cent-reverse-dies-shallow-n-deep-n/p1
nice.
even if i saw it and commented in it before, being active in so many series, reminders for stuff from time to time is very nice so TY!
well done too. i was thinking about doing something quite similar.
@MarkW63
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