Odd Overstruck Lincoln Cent - UPDATE - Satellite Identified

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cmerlo1
cmerlo1 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 5, 2022 5:11PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Hoping someone can tell me what this is. I picked it up at the Austin Airport show earlier today because it looked interesting. The obverse shows a date of 1980, but appears to be struck thru or struck over with a flag design. The reverse shows what I'm assuming is a satellite and the earth, moon, and sun with the words 'THE SECOND STEP' and 'GLOBE'. Google didn't help unfortunately... thanks in advance!


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  • ctf_error_coins
    ctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very odd but kinda cool.

  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Interesting

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  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2022 3:18PM
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    Looks something the Soyuz. Russian counterfeit?!?! 😂

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  • BustHalfBrian
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    PMD ;)

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    At first I thought it was the Apollo-Soyuz mission (1975) but the illustration seems a little off.

    Maybe an artists rendition of the later International Space Station?

    Not sure if that ghosted detail on the obverse is intentional or a relic left on the anvil surface.

    I suspect it was made by an outfit that operated in the late 1970s into the 1980s. I have a USS New Jersey cent I'm a very similar style, and they made a few other designs.

  • braddick
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    Interesting how the date isn't distorted.
    Neat coin.

  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BustHalfBrian said:
    PMD ;)

    I don't think so. There is a design struck onto the coin.

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Definitely someone intentionally overstruck a design on a cent... I would say the obverse looks like a transfer from what may have been beneath it when striking... Cheers, RickO

  • Zoins
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    That's an amazing find. I love it!

    I did some quick Internet searches and couldn't find anything on it.

    I agree that it was overstruck on Lincolns' bust survived somehow.

    It's a very interesting piece an appears to be a mystery worth trying to solve!

  • goodmoney4badmoney
    goodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    An elongated cent souvenir that didn't quite get pressed correctly?

  • cmerlo1
    cmerlo1 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 4, 2022 9:48AM
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    @Zoins said:
    That's an amazing find. I love it!

    I did some quick Internet searches and couldn't find anything on it.

    I agree that it was overstruck on Lincolns' bust survived somehow.

    It's a very interesting piece an appears to be a mystery worth trying to solve!

    That's what's strange to me. The reverse is fairly high relief, which would've required a lot of pressure. You'd think much of the original obverse design would be a lot more flattened and distorted than it is, with the other design being more prominent.

    Like @braddick said, the date is not distorted and is clear and sharp. This also seems odd because it's opposite a flat area on the reverse. This is definitely a puzzle!

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  • shortnock
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    Elongatis interruptus! Per goodmoney4badmoney.

  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @cmerlo1 said:
    Hoping someone can tell me what this is. I picked it up at the Austin Airport show earlier today because it looked interesting. The obverse shows a date of 1980, but appears to be struck thru or struck over with a flag design. The reverse shows what I'm assuming is a satellite and the earth, moon, and sun with the words 'THE SECOND STEP' and 'GLOBE'. Google didn't help unfortunately... thanks in advance!

    .
    this thread made it into google images already. :)

    i typed this - the second step globe satellite

    and found this already:

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  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 4, 2022 11:01AM
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    i don't know how comprehensive this image is but it has a lot of different satellites to compare. (man made)

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  • cmerlo1
    cmerlo1 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Bump for the weekday crowd. Hoping this won't remain a mystery!

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  • tokenpro
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    It's related to several other overstruck 1c that were done in quantity in the 1980's (possibly a bit earlier) similar to the Battleship New Jersey piece pictured below. The New Jersey cent has sold for up to $100 at auction but realistically is a $10 item full full retail. I don't recall all the others right now but I'll try to find images

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2022 5:48PM
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    @tokenpro said:
    It's related to several other overstruck 1c that were done in quantity in the 1980's (possibly a bit earlier) similar to the Battleship New Jersey piece pictured below. The New Jersey cent has sold for up to $100 at auction but realistically is a $10 item full full retail. I don't recall all the others right now but I'll try to find images

    That's the one I have. Somewhere I have the original paperwork that has the maker's name on it.

  • cmerlo1
    cmerlo1 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thank you, @tokenpro ! Definitely looks like the same manufacturing process except for the obverse overstrike. Hoping @JBK can find the name of the maker.

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  • jesbroken
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    So very interesting. Congrats on a neat find, regardless of occurrence method.
    Jim


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  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    @tokenpro said:
    It's related to several other overstruck 1c that were done in quantity in the 1980's (possibly a bit earlier) similar to the Battleship New Jersey piece pictured below. The New Jersey cent has sold for up to $100 at auction but realistically is a $10 item full full retail. I don't recall all the others right now but I'll try to find images

    if you have this coin and it matters, there MAY be a green spot on the reverse.

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  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    @cmerlo1 said:
    I found the satellite! It's the Bernal Sphere, a concept for a space colony that never got off the ground (no pun intended).

    .
    DANGIT. i knew that second step thing shoulda made it obvious.

    well don sir. :)

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  • cmerlo1
    cmerlo1 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2022 5:18PM
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    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @cmerlo1 said:
    I found the satellite! It's the Bernal Sphere, a concept for a space colony that never got off the ground (no pun intended).

    .
    DANGIT. i knew that second step thing shoulda made it obvious.

    well don sir. :)

    Thanks! I finally thought to Google '1970's space satellites' and found it a ways down in the results.

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  • Smudge
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    Good thing it’s a pre 1982.

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2022 7:20PM
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    Great work cmerlo1. So did you find who made the overstrike?
    Jim


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  • cmerlo1
    cmerlo1 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jesbroken said:
    Great work cmerlo1. So did you find who made the overstrike?
    Jim

    I couldn't find an example of the overstrike anywhere. Strill looking though!

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  • Jzyskowski1
    Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2022 1:07PM
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    Just a little input on hammer and anvil strikes ( not that I’d know from personal experience 😁).
    I’ve always, ah I mean, I’ve heard that a stout leather strap ( belt) can help with unwanted striking issues.
    Just sayin, heard it somewhere 🙃

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

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