1909 VDB Circulated Proof?

LotsoLuck · February 13, 2016 10:52AM

My typical luck would dictate that I wont find a circulated proof for $20 in Cashmere Washington (ignore user name). Experts please chime in and maybe explain the sharp rims.

bolivarshagnasty · February 13, 2016 11:15AM

Need a close up of the nose and field in front of the nose. I have Kevin Flynn's reference but can't see enough detail.

LotsoLuck · February 13, 2016 11:45AM

That is about as close in as I can get

robec · February 13, 2016 11:47AM

If the diagnostics aren't there it doesn't matter how sharp the rims are.

The rims should be just as sharp on the inside as the outside edge.

LotsoLuck · February 13, 2016 1:04PM

Thanks for the pic robec. It is to close for me to tell for sure and the pictures I posted are marginal. What I can tell for sure is the detail inside the wheat ears is far superior to the half dozen or so au/unc wheaties I have laying around. Good looking wheatie though.

WingedLiberty1957 · February 13, 2016 10:50PM

Sharp rims can be a bit misleading ... this 1909 VDB of mine is a Biz Strike, but parts of it has sharp rims (note the obv and rev from 9 to 12 o'clock). You need the other diagnostics to confirm a Matte Proof. Big price difference too. As a biz strike it's worth about $100. If it was a Matte Proof, it would probably be worth $100,000.00

Steve · February 14, 2016 1:53AM

Just a simple comment:

ANY 1909VDB that is being offered BY ANYONE as being a MATTE PROOF LINCOLN CENT M U S T be in a PCGS or NGC holder that is designated as GENUINE or with an assigned grade. Otherwise you are buying "a pig in a poke". Steve

golden · February 14, 2016 2:17AM

Originally posted by: Steve
Just a simple comment:

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Prooflincolndie2 · September 19, 2022 4:44PM

What do y’all think? I had a dealer say it’s a MLP

Just went to a local “Pawn Stars” with Rick And Chum. But they wouldn’t buy unless graded.

I have a couple.

I’m try to sell to pay for a trip to Vegas. To goto the coin show in December

Anyone know where I could sell some that are proofs but not graded proofs.

I’m going to get graded at the show.

Thoughts?

TomB · September 19, 2022 4:54PM

What do I think? I think the dealer was blowing smoke or did not exist.

What makes you believe they are MPLs? How did you acquire them? What did you pay? Look, everyone would like a magical winning Lotto ticket to fall into their laps, but it just isn't happening.

Steven59 · September 19, 2022 5:09PM

Early Lincolns have sharp rims off the early dies - I have a 1916 that has razor sharp rims and details but alas is not a proof - just an early die pair strike. There are die markers for a Proof 1909 VDB - look them up.

Remember Proof 1909 VDBs have a mintage of a little over 1100 so chances go down ...........

jesbroken · September 19, 2022 5:16PM

Wait a minute, you are trying to sell them to raise money for the trip to the coin show where you will get them graded?
Hmm.
Jim

giantsfan20 · September 19, 2022 5:23PM

Everybody just ignore this one.

He is on some diatribe about claiming he owns one?

https://forums.collectors.com/profile/Prooflincolndie2

BuffaloIronTail · September 20, 2022 7:59AM

Sell it to the dealer who said it was genuine. See what he will offer.

I'll bet he backs down.

Pete

robec · September 20, 2022 9:54AM

Can’t see one diagnostic other than the centered dot between the D and B. But that appears on the MS VDB also. The N in UNITED also appears to be the wrong one, but the photos are too out of focus to really tell. Like the 1909-SVDB the correct N is the Shallow. Yours looks like it may be the Deep N.

BUFFNIXX · September 28, 2022 7:20PM

not a matte prool
rims are somewhat rounded
not so on a genuine matte proof

BuffaloIronTail · September 29, 2022 8:59AM

@BUFFNIXX said:
not a matte prool
rims are somewhat rounded
not so on a genuine matte proof

The above is actually the only diagnostic you'll need.

Pete

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