1909 VDB Circulated Proof?

LotsoLuck

My typical luck would dictate that I wont find a circulated proof for $20 in Cashmere Washington (ignore user name). Experts please chime in and maybe explain the sharp rims.

bolivarshagnasty

Need a close up of the nose and field in front of the nose. I have Kevin Flynn's reference but can't see enough detail.

LotsoLuck

That is about as close in as I can get

robec

If the diagnostics aren't there it doesn't matter how sharp the rims are.



The rims should be just as sharp on the inside as the outside edge.

LotsoLuck

Thanks for the pic robec. It is to close for me to tell for sure and the pictures I posted are marginal. What I can tell for sure is the detail inside the wheat ears is far superior to the half dozen or so au/unc wheaties I have laying around. Good looking wheatie though.

WingedLiberty1957

Sharp rims can be a bit misleading ... this 1909 VDB of mine is a Biz Strike, but parts of it has sharp rims (note the obv and rev from 9 to 12 o'clock). You need the other diagnostics to confirm a Matte Proof. Big price difference too. As a biz strike it's worth about $100. If it was a Matte Proof, it would probably be worth $100,000.00

Steve

Just a simple comment:



ANY 1909VDB that is being offered BY ANYONE as being a MATTE PROOF LINCOLN CENT M U S T be in a PCGS or NGC holder that is designated as GENUINE or with an assigned grade. Otherwise you are buying "a pig in a poke". Steve

golden

Originally posted by: Steve
Just a simple comment:

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Prooflincolndie2

What do y’all think? I had a dealer say it’s a MLP

Just went to a local “Pawn Stars” with Rick And Chum. But they wouldn’t buy unless graded.

I have a couple.

I’m try to sell to pay for a trip to Vegas. To goto the coin show in December

Anyone know where I could sell some that are proofs but not graded proofs.

I’m going to get graded at the show.

Thoughts?

TomB

What do I think? I think the dealer was blowing smoke or did not exist.

What makes you believe they are MPLs? How did you acquire them? What did you pay? Look, everyone would like a magical winning Lotto ticket to fall into their laps, but it just isn't happening.

Steven59

Early Lincolns have sharp rims off the early dies - I have a 1916 that has razor sharp rims and details but alas is not a proof - just an early die pair strike. There are die markers for a Proof 1909 VDB - look them up.

Remember Proof 1909 VDBs have a mintage of a little over 1100 so chances go down ...........

jesbroken

Wait a minute, you are trying to sell them to raise money for the trip to the coin show where you will get them graded?
Hmm.
Jim

giantsfan20

Everybody just ignore this one.

He is on some diatribe about claiming he owns one?

https://forums.collectors.com/profile/Prooflincolndie2

BuffaloIronTail

Sell it to the dealer who said it was genuine. See what he will offer.

I'll bet he backs down.

Pete

robec

Can’t see one diagnostic other than the centered dot between the D and B. But that appears on the MS VDB also. The N in UNITED also appears to be the wrong one, but the photos are too out of focus to really tell. Like the 1909-SVDB the correct N is the Shallow. Yours looks like it may be the Deep N.

BUFFNIXX

not a matte prool
rims are somewhat rounded
not so on a genuine matte proof

BuffaloIronTail

@BUFFNIXX said:
not a matte prool
rims are somewhat rounded
not so on a genuine matte proof

The above is actually the only diagnostic you'll need.

Pete