@MFeld said:
Because PCGS had a different pinion than you do regarding the originality of the toning.
I think the OP was asking a rhetorical question but thank you for sharing that with us.
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I checked the first and third coin certs. Neither has a True View. My first guess was that the photos of the first and third coin have had their photos juiced by increasing saturation levels.
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I desaturated this one until the fingers looked realistically colored and it came out like this which made the coin look more believable. Pretty sure the guys fingers weren’t orange like they were in the original
When you use obviously bad saturated pictures, there is nothing to go on except that they are in PCGS holders. The question in the OP doesn't even apply here.
@Mr_Spud said:
I desaturated this one until the fingers looked realistically colored and it came out like this which made the coin look more believable. Pretty sure the guys fingers weren’t orange like they were in the original
@Mr_Spud said:
I desaturated this one until the fingers looked realistically colored and it came out like this which made the coin look more believable. Pretty sure the guys fingers weren’t orange like they were in the original
@Mr_Spud said:
I desaturated this one until the fingers looked realistically colored and it came out like this which made the coin look more believable. Pretty sure the guys fingers weren’t orange like they were in the original
I've seen an orange man before...
I don’t doubt it. There’s even a very well known Bob Dylan song about an orange man - Hey Mr. Tangerine Man.
Tangerine, tambourine, whatever.😉
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@Mr_Spud said:
I desaturated this one until the fingers looked realistically colored and it came out like this which made the coin look more believable. Pretty sure the guys fingers weren’t orange like they were in the original
What if it was an Oompa Loompa holding it?
What if he was on a Cheetos binge?
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
@Mr_Spud said:
I desaturated this one until the fingers looked realistically colored and it came out like this which made the coin look more believable. Pretty sure the guys fingers weren’t orange like they were in the original
@Mr_Spud said:
I desaturated this one until the fingers looked realistically colored and it came out like this which made the coin look more believable. Pretty sure the guys fingers weren’t orange like they were in the original
What if it was an Oompa Loompa holding it?
What if he was on a Cheetos binge?
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Seems like there are some photoshopped detectors on the web that can be download. I won't do this. But....when I said, the amount of light used in photography can change or intensify the colors on a coin......I searched all my photos, couldn't find a similar coin with that type of splotched toning where the collors don't blend well and aren't concentrical from the peripherals to center. Not saying those coins haven't been juiced but from another perspective, here are two photos (Dec 03 2003) of the same coin.
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Interesting... the de-saturated pictures do look NT .... However, I am sure a customer receiving the actual coin will be disappointed.... Cheers, RickO
@Mr_Spud said:
Here’s what the coin in the original post looks like if it’s desaturated until the fingers looks realistic
Interesting work you're doing there but shouldn;t the green bean be a little brighter, a more shinier green?
Leo
Perhaps, but the CAC sticker can appear silver in certain lighting. Photoshop has enough knobs that getting one thing right color when reverse engineering juicing may be at the expense of something else. I'm not saying that's the case here, but something to keep in mind even for a regular, totally normal photo is that the CAC sticker isn't the best indicator of correct color levels because it's inconsistently colored.
@leothelyon said:
Seems like there are some photoshopped detectors on the web that can be download. I won't do this. But....when I said, the amount of light used in photography can change or intensify the colors on a coin......I searched all my photos, couldn't find a similar coin with that type of splotched toning where the collors don't blend well and aren't concentrical from the peripherals to center. Not saying those coins haven't been juiced but from another perspective, here are two photos (Dec 03 2003) of the same coin.
I'm not saying lighting can't/won't change the appearance of a photo, but the levels shown in these photos are nothing like what your examples show. I'll put $10k down any day of the week that the photos in the OP were juiced beyond lighting.
@MFeld said:
Because PCGS had a different pinion than you do regarding the originality of the toning.
I think the OP was asking a rhetorical question but thank you for sharing that with us.
That was Mark's rhetorical way of telling the OP that he's wrong about the toning.
Pfft, what exactly did I even say about any toning?
But seriously, I hadn't really thought about the likelihood of the pics being juiced. I swear sometimes it's like I was born yesterday. Then I look in the mirror.
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Because PCGS had a different pinion than you do regarding the originality of the toning.
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The second coin looks like PCI holder toning
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I think the OP was asking a rhetorical question but thank you for sharing that with us.
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I checked the first and third coin certs. Neither has a True View. My first guess was that the photos of the first and third coin have had their photos juiced by increasing saturation levels.
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Can you say "saturation"?
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Because PCGS had a different pinion than you do regarding the originality of the toning. > @PerryHall said:
I was aware of that,
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major juiced photos is what you see i doubt the coin even looks like that in hand
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I desaturated this one until the fingers looked realistically colored and it came out like this which made the coin look more believable. Pretty sure the guys fingers weren’t orange like they were in the original
Mr_Spud
When you use obviously bad saturated pictures, there is nothing to go on except that they are in PCGS holders. The question in the OP doesn't even apply here.
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That was Mark's rhetorical way of telling the OP that he's wrong about the toning.
I've seen an orange man before...
What if it was an Oompa Loompa holding it?
Juiced to hell. Gotta look at what's around the coin, not just the coin.
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Original tone. Really juiced pics. Someone beat me to the "Oompa Loompa" comment.
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I don’t doubt it. There’s even a very well known Bob Dylan song about an orange man - Hey Mr. Tangerine Man.
Tangerine, tambourine, whatever.😉
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What if he was on a Cheetos binge?
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
Use of strong lighting can also intensify the colors. But you all knew that.
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Or ate too many carrots.
Over enhanced lighting and "Major juiced photos" - Oh wait - that can only happen for coins!
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Here’s what the coin in the original post looks like if it’s desaturated until the fingers looks realistic
Mr_Spud
It still looks AT to me. Pass.
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These photos have been heavily juiced with software... what you're seeing is far beyond what bright lights can do
Seems like there are some photoshopped detectors on the web that can be download. I won't do this. But....when I said, the amount of light used in photography can change or intensify the colors on a coin......I searched all my photos, couldn't find a similar coin with that type of splotched toning where the collors don't blend well and aren't concentrical from the peripherals to center. Not saying those coins haven't been juiced but from another perspective, here are two photos (Dec 03 2003) of the same coin.
Leo
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Here’s the Jeff nickel photo with the tint adjusted to make the white slab look whiter instead of blue/green 🌞
Mr_Spud
Interesting work you're doing there but shouldn;t the green bean be a little brighter, a more shinier green?
Leo
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I agree. Even when it’s desaturated it still looks AT. Maybe it was toned after encapsulation?
The coin doesn't look to have been toned after encapsulation and to a number of us, it looks NT.
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Interesting... the de-saturated pictures do look NT .... However, I am sure a customer receiving the actual coin will be disappointed.... Cheers, RickO
Here you go, I went up in the saturation just a tad in order to make the CAC sticker look shinier.
Mr_Spud
Perhaps, but the CAC sticker can appear silver in certain lighting. Photoshop has enough knobs that getting one thing right color when reverse engineering juicing may be at the expense of something else. I'm not saying that's the case here, but something to keep in mind even for a regular, totally normal photo is that the CAC sticker isn't the best indicator of correct color levels because it's inconsistently colored.
I'm not saying lighting can't/won't change the appearance of a photo, but the levels shown in these photos are nothing like what your examples show. I'll put $10k down any day of the week that the photos in the OP were juiced beyond lighting.
Pfft, what exactly did I even say about any toning?
But seriously, I hadn't really thought about the likelihood of the pics being juiced. I swear sometimes it's like I was born yesterday. Then I look in the mirror.