SOLD: Belly Button Variety 1875-CC 10C ABOVE BOW

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edited October 23, 2025 4:09AM in U.S. Coin Forum

SOLD: Anyone has some information on this variety/die-state? All information is appreciated. Just received the True View back. See the belly button. Going through the archives i found just a few coins have this and seems the 3 or 4 i found all ****are paired with a die clash on the reverse from C in Carson City to the rim below. Also another point is off the right knee next to the shield. The stacks coin shows it well. Character adding.

1875-CC 10C MM ABOVE BOW MS65 PCGS CAC

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-S57OZ/1875-cc-liberty-seated-dime-mintmark-above-bow-ms-65-pcgs-cac

https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-dimes/1875-cc-10c-mintmark-above-bow-ms65-ngc-cac-f-106a/a/1229-98285.s?hdnJumpToLot=1&x=0&y=0

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  • edwardjulio
    edwardjulio Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    One of the F-112 varieties, die defect on mid-section.
    https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/pictorial/1875cciw.htm

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  • ricko
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    Now that (Bellybutton) is a new one to me.... :D Had not heard of it before... but sure can see why it is so termed. Cheers, RickO

  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    fwiw, the mark(s) on the rev appears to me to be more similar to feeder finger scrapes/gouges or possibly whatever caused the main deep defect to the die was polished a bit to smooth it out but most likely the former.

    w/o doing an overlay, it appears to me the line isn't in the correct placement to be from a clash of the side of the shield, especially since the shield doesn't go near the rim.

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  • oih82w8
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    edited August 11, 2022 7:52AM
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    @ricko said:
    Now that (Bellybutton) is a new one to me.... :D Had not heard of it before... but sure can see why it is so termed. Cheers, RickO

    More of an "outie" than an "innie"?

    Or possibly a hernia?

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  • Namvet69
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    Maybe she's with child?

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  • ParadimeCoins
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    @edwardjulio said:
    One of the F-112 varieties, die defect on mid-section.
    https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/pictorial/1875cciw.htm

    thanks!

    this should have been named Outie variety indeed :D

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  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That is so interesting. I have never heard of this variety. Super cool. Perfect name for the variety.
    Jim


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  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2022 12:24PM
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    Cool, It reminds me of the bump on Liberty’s neck on this coin

    I’ve also seen similar on Liberty’s ear on some gold coins. I thought it was from some kind of centering punch mark that goes too deep, something to do with cutting the design into the dies

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  • AUandAG
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    I too have never heard of this variety....pretty cool for sure!

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  • Onastone
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    Laughing cuz you circled it, didn't need to- it's very apparent!!!! New one for me too, the mole on Liberty's neck!!!

  • yosclimber
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    edited August 11, 2022 4:16PM
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    @edwardjulio said:
    One of the F-112 varieties, die defect on mid-section.
    https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/pictorial/1875cciw.htm

    This is close, but actually I think it's F-104, which has the same Obverse 3, and the correct mint mark position.
    http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1875cciw_104page.htm
    http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1875cciwvarpage.htm

    Your Heritage link mentions F-106a in the lot description.
    F-106a is Reverse B, which has the reverse die cracks shown on the untoned coin.
    F-104 also has Reverse B.

  • jesbroken
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    Is it found on both the mintmark above the bow and below the bow?
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  • jesbroken
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    Since reading this post, I have looked at roughly 50 and while all seem to have the lump in the skirt below the knee, none with the "belly button" feature have had the clashed die reverse. I know that 50 is not enough to determine any factual features, but is interesting nonetheless for a variety that I had never heard of. Here is a far less grade of mine that seems to have both lumps but with no die clash.
    Jim


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  • ParadimeCoins
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    edited August 11, 2022 6:15PM
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    @yosclimber said:

    @edwardjulio said:
    One of the F-112 varieties, die defect on mid-section.
    https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/pictorial/1875cciw.htm

    This is close, but actually I think it's F-104, which has the same Obverse 3, and the correct mint mark position.
    http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1875cciw_104page.htm
    http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1875cciwvarpage.htm

    Your Heritage link mentions F-106a in the lot description.
    F-106a is Reverse B, which has the reverse die cracks shown on the untoned coin.
    F-104 also has Reverse B.

    thanks for checking. Upon comparing the mint mark position they do not appear to be the same position. Can you double check. F-112 MM appears much more wider out, past the bow, whilst this inside. Images are down correct not up. So F-112 title and description then below is the image of the example not above. Looks like 104 may makes sense. Let me know what you think. Thanks!

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  • yosclimber
    yosclimber Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2022 9:48PM
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    Yes, I'm pretty sure it is F-104.
    The vertical mint mark position is the easiest way to see your coin has Reverse B and not Reverse H (F-112).
    But the steep uphill die crack from the left leaf in the wreath is the best evidence for Reverse B.

    F-112 has a lower mint mark position.
    If you draw an imaginary line from the nearest leaf tips on your photos, it intersects the middle of the CC.
    On F-112 the CC are lower and the imaginary line hits the tops of the CC.
    The line could be drawn with photo editing software if you needed to be more accurate.

    Given that it has reverse B, this leaves F-104 or F-106 as the only known die pair options.
    F-106 can be ruled out, because F-106 does not have the raised dot at the belly button.
    F-106a/b is also supposed to have a die crack at OF, which is not present on your coin photos.
    I haven't really checked the date position, because that is slightly more difficult, but I can do it if needed.

    The other thing I noticed in the photos you posted is a die crack in the lower part of the date and left into the field.
    This crack is mentioned in the F-104 description.
    It does not show on the F-104 plate photos, because it's a relatively low grade coin.

  • ParadimeCoins
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    @yosclimber said:
    Yes, I'm pretty sure it is F-104.
    The vertical mint mark position is the easiest way to see your coin has Reverse B and not Reverse H (F-112).
    But the steep uphill die crack from the left leaf in the wreath is the best evidence for Reverse B.

    F-112 has a lower mint mark position.
    If you draw an imaginary line from the nearest leaf tips on your photos, it intersects the middle of the CC.
    On F-112 the CC are lower and the imaginary line hits the tops of the CC.
    The line could be drawn with photo editing software if you needed to be more accurate.

    Given that it has reverse B, this leaves F-104 or F-106 as the only known die pair options.
    F-106 can be ruled out, because F-106 does not have the raised dot at the belly button.
    F-106a/b is also supposed to have a die crack at OF, which is not present on your coin photos.
    I haven't really checked the date position, because that is slightly more difficult, but I can do it if needed.

    The other thing I noticed in the photos you posted is a die crack in the lower part of the date and left into the field.
    This crack is mentioned in the F-104 description.
    It does not show on the F-104 plate photos, because it's a relatively low grade coin.

    i meant yes F-104, F-112 mint mark appears wider pass the bow. Thanks!

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