Bass Coins Grading Events
I was checking CoinFact and noticed that the Bass coins are appearing. Some notable early quarter eagles are:
1796 NS in MS63
1796 With stars in MS63+
1804 13 Stars Reverse in AU58
1808 in MS62
These change the official condition census. I am sure there are many others.
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I had not heard for sure they would be PCGS certified. That is good news. I wonder if PCGS Registry will add the Bass Foundation sets. They would make some great additions. I hope they create some Early US Gold Variety sets. I would love to see the Bass Coins in three early sets.
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@earlyAurum said:
I was checking CoinFact and noticed that the Bass coins are appearing. Some notable early quarter eagles are:1796 NS in MS63
1796 With stars in MS63+
1804 13 Stars Reverse in AU58
1808 in MS62These change the official condition census. I am sure there are many others.
Thank you @earlyAurum Just saw the 1808 as well.
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Amazing coins! Looks like most are already graded and really shaking up the condition census and top pops.
Collector of Original Early Gold with beginnings in Proof Morgan collecting.0 -
I hope they all get custom inserts and TrueViews
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@Currin said:
I had not heard for sure they would be PCGS certified. That is good news. I wonder if PCGS Registry will add the Bass Foundation sets. They would make some great additions. I hope they create some Early US Gold Variety sets. I would love to see the Bass Coins in three early sets.I really hope PCGS does this as it will make it easier to track the collection.
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@Zoins said:
I hope they all get custom inserts and TrueViewsThe true views are up. Looking forward to seeing the holders
Collector of Original Early Gold with beginnings in Proof Morgan collecting.1 -
Ok so I’m not so sure how to find a list of recently certified gold coins at PCGS- could someone who does maybe start an “official” list and update it as they come out? I would love to see the list pre-pre-auction preview
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You can just use the Cert page and try consecutive serial numbers,
starting with the MS-63 on CoinFacts that @earlyAurum mentioned.
I got the serial number from the first part of the image filename.
These are all Bass $2.50:1796 BD-1 (NS) AU-55 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092641
1796 BD-2 (NS) MS-63 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092642
1796 BD-3 MS-63+ https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092643
1797 BD-1 MS-61 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092644
1798 BD-1 MS-64PL https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092645
1798 BD-2 MS-60 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092646
1802/1 BD-1 MS-63 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092647
1802/1 BD-2 AU-58 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092648
1802/1 BD-3 AU-58 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092649
... etc., continuing in sequence to the last in this group of 20 coins for Bass $2.50:
1825 BD-1 MS-det https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092660Similarly, here's the Bass $10 1795 9 leaves MS-64:
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092604
This Cert number leads back to a $5 and I didn't look any further back.Other denominations:
G$3 1870-S AU-50 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46095412
G$1 1849 MS-67+ https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092961
S$1 1836 Gobrecht J-60 PR-64 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092739
S$1 1879 Schoolgirl J-1608 PR-67 cam https://www.pcgs.com/cert/460931112 -
@yosclimber said:
You can just use the Cert page and try consecutive serial numbers,
starting with the MS-63 on CoinFacts that @earlyAurum mentioned.
I got the serial number from the first part of the image filename.
These are all Bass $2.50:1796 BD-1 (NS) AU-55 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092641
1796 BD-2 (NS) MS-63 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092642
1796 BD-3 MS-63+ https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092643
1797 BD-1 MS-61 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092644
1798 BD-1 MS-64PL https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092645
1798 BD-2 MS-60 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092646
1802/1 BD-1 MS-63 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092647
1802/1 BD-2 AU-58 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092648
1802/1 BD-3 AU-58 https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092649etc.
Similarly, here's the Bass $10 1795 9 leaves MS-64:
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46092604How did you find the first certification number to search consecutive numbers? Thanks.
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@yosclimber said:
You can just use the Cert page and try consecutive serial numbers,Cool thank you!
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Not sure if the labels are green or are actually gold but just look that way.Collector of Original Early Gold with beginnings in Proof Morgan collecting.5 -
I said: ... I got the serial number from the first part of the image filename. ...
@skier07 said:
How did you find the first certification number to search consecutive numbers? Thanks.For the $2.5 1796 No Stars, the PCGS CoinFacts page is:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1796-2-50-no-stars/7645
In the upper right corner of the photos, the MS-63 that @earlyAurum listed is shown.
I clicked on it, then used right-click and "Open image in new tab" in my Chrome browser.
This showed me the photo URL is:
https://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/46092642_242042523_2200.jpg
The PCGS Cert number is the first part of the filename: 46092642 .
Then I counted down to 46092641 on the Cert page and that showed as Bass.
However, counting down again to 46092640 yielded an "invalid Cert number", so 46092641 was
the first in that group.For the $10 1795 9 leaves, I happen to know that Bass had the finest known,
because I did some light research on the top specimens of the 9 leaves back in 2015:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/949678/1795-9-leaves-eagle-16-specimens-and-price-graph
The Bass MS-64 showed up as the top coin on the PCGS CoinFacts page for $10 1795 9 leaves,
so I used the filename trick again to get that cert number.3 -
OK, I'll try to show some more complete tables.
Note: as pointed out by @Currin, the pop and higher columns are likely inaccurate,
because many coins are not attributed to BD numbers, and are in the basic date category.
So I have removed those columns.
I added a Price Guide column and a rank column instead.
The rank column was constructed using the rosters in PCGS CoinFacts.Bass Early Quarter Eagles, by die variety
https://hbrf.org/coin-collection/3000s/Registry set at ~Redbook level:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/early-2-1-gold-major-sets/early-2-1-gold-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1796-1839/alltimeset/221264 -
Bass Early Half Eagles, by die variety
https://hbrf.org/coin-collection/3000s/The rank column needs more work.
Registry set at ~Redbook level:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/early-5-gold-major-sets/early-5-gold-major-varieties-1797-large-eagles-circulation-strikes-1795-1838/alltimeset/222803 -
Bass Early Eagles, by die variety
https://hbrf.org/coin-collection/3000s/The rank column needs more work.
Registry set at ~Redbook level:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/10-gold-major-sets/early-10-gold-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1795-1804/alltimeset/217011 -
Shout out to @yosclimber for the great work. Looking forward to the other tables.
Collector of Original Early Gold with beginnings in Proof Morgan collecting.8 -
They certainly are super beautiful gold coins. Thanks so much for the links. Cheers, RickO
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Wow! How about all those proofs. An 1824/1 in PR67! ! That is unreal.,
Thanks @yosclimber
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Boy, that's an ass load of top pops! Wonder if Hanson might have to take out a loan?
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Great work. This collection is staggering.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
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The 1829 PR-66+ CAM HBCC#3155 Half Eagle is a very rare coin. Only one other in the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution. That will be one of many coins that should be fun to watch.
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AU-50 for the unique 1870-S with graffiti on the back, not that the grade really mattered that much!
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Early Eagles go here> @Currin said:
The 1829 PR-66+ CAM HBCC#3155 Half Eagle is a very rare coin. Only one other in the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution. That will be one of many coins that should be fun to watch.
Extremely rare as a proof, like many prior to 1856.
But apparently 10-12 known (business strike + proof) for the BD-2 die marriage.
And the BD-1 is rarer, so the 1829 overall is pretty darn rare.
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@Floridafacelifter said:
AU-50 for the unique 1870-S with graffiti on the back, not that the grade really mattered that much!Pardon the ignorance, but what is the significance of the upside down "893" graffiti? I'm rooting for you if you're a bidder.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
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@breakdown said:
@Floridafacelifter said:
AU-50 for the unique 1870-S with graffiti on the back, not that the grade really mattered that much!Pardon the ignorance, but what is the significance of the upside down "893" graffiti? I'm rooting for you if you're a bidder.
I appreciate that but I think that will be going home with a much deeper pockets player- Coin World suggested the graffiti was the following:
“ The 893 digits on the reverse note that the coin was of 893 gold fineness, and that the gold came from the Feather River area in California.”
Could be wrong- that was a quick Google search
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@Floridafacelifter said:
@breakdown said:
@Floridafacelifter said:
AU-50 for the unique 1870-S with graffiti on the back, not that the grade really mattered that much!Pardon the ignorance, but what is the significance of the upside down "893" graffiti? I'm rooting for you if you're a bidder.
I appreciate that but I think that will be going home with a much deeper pockets player- Coin World suggested the graffiti was the following:
“ The 893 digits on the reverse note that the coin was of 893 gold fineness, and that the gold came from the Feather River area in California.”
Could be wrong- that was a quick Google search
Which coin do you think will realized the greatest results, the 1870-S AU50 or the 1804 PR63 Eagle? or another coin?
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My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/20040 -
I'm guessing the 70-S Currin. Unique gold and really not bad looking.
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I checked my copy of 100 Greatest USCoins and it mentions the 893 but provides no explanation or speculation as to its meaning. I have Breen’s around here somewhere and will check it tomorrow - sounds like something he would speculate about ( and present as fact). The fineness seems an odd explanation but maybe that is it.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
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@GoBust said:
I'm guessing the 70-S Currin. Unique gold and really not bad looking.I agree- the coolness factor is off the charts
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It is interesting that the 70-S ended up with the same grade as the 1822 half eagle.
I checked Breen's and there is no explanation of the 893.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
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