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Is this a Contemporary Counterfeit Trade Dollar?

NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 23, 2022 12:12PM in U.S. Coin Forum

You don't see many contemporary counterfeit trade dollars. On the LSCC site, I saw an 1875-S die struck example in brass. This 1876-S piece looks like a brass cast piece in which the reeding was added later. Weighs 15.65g Not sure by hand or machine. For $34 I took a chance. I took a few shots around the edge as well. Thoughts my friends?

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my opinion, with a stress on opinion, this looks less like the quality and craftsmanship of a Bogus Bustie (contemporary counterfeit Bust half) and more like a modern piece made to look old.

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,030 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    In my opinion, with a stress on opinion, this looks less like the quality and craftsmanship of a Bogus Bustie (contemporary counterfeit Bust half) and more like a modern piece made to look old.

    It's definitely crude in craftsmanship, much like many contemporary counterfeits.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 25,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the OP got a real bargain.

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does it seem to have been silver plated at one point?
    Without the silver wash, seems unlikely that it was passed as real...🤔

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Possibly a contemporary counterfeit, but I don't know how you could ever prove it.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 25,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reeding, done by hand- is a 'tell' for me.

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,030 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jayPem said:
    Does it seem to have been silver plated at one point?
    Without the silver wash, seems unlikely that it was passed as real...🤔

    I was thinking that the black areas around the devices, lettering and edge were from some kind of tarnished plating or wash.> @braddick said:

    The reeding, done by hand- is a 'tell' for me.

    I was skeptical until I saw the reeding. It's an interesting piece nonetheless.

  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭

    Any evidence of a casting sprue?

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting brass counterfeit... Probably was planning on silver plating it .... Just did not get around to it.... Cheers, RickO

  • BadMetalBadMetal Posts: 18 ✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Possibly a contemporary counterfeit, but I don't know how you could ever prove it.

    I agree. I wouldn't be prepared to say one way or another.

  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess is that it is not a contemporary counterfeit. Trade dollars were made to be shipped to Asia, and the vast majority were. Especially those from the San Francisco mint as this one is. Chinese bankers/schroffs/traders were pretty astute in picking out counterfeits, which I am sure was known by those trading with them. This copy is so crude I doubt it would even make it on the ship.

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