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MilehighHOFMilehighHOF Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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Historically I have been a vintage guy and prior to this submission I had submitted less than 100 cards to PSA. Of those cards I submitted in the past, 8 would fall into the modern category and I got four 10s and four 9s. Even with the small sample size I thought I had a good idea what modern 9s and 10s were. Apparently not! I got sucked into the hype in early 2021 and submitted about 170 junk wax era cards. After 13-14 months I just got 73 back in the mail today and got hammered on the grades. I'm not looking forward to getting the other cards back. I'm getting out of the grading game and will keep my day job:

1 1 59651294 MINT 9 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
2 1 59651295 MINT 9 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
3 1 59651296 MINT 9 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
4 1 59651297 GEM MINT 10 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
5 1 59651298 MINT 9 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
6 1 59651299 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
7 1 59651300 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
8 1 59651301 MINT 9 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
9 1 59651302 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
10 1 59651303 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
11 1 59651304 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
12 1 59651305 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
13 1 59651306 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
14 1 59651307 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
15 1 59651308 NEAR MINT 7 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
16 1 59651309 MINT 9 1990 Topps 336 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
17 1 59651310 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Topps 336 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
18 1 59651311 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Topps 336 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
19 1 59651312 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Topps 336 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
20 1 59651313 MINT 9 1990 Topps 336 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
21 1 59651314 MINT 9 1990 Donruss 365 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
22 1 59651315 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 33 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
23 1 59651316 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 33 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
24 1 59651317 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 33 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
25 1 59651318 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Bowman 220 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
26 1 59651319 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Bowman 220 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
27 1 59651320 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
28 1 59651321 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
29 1 59651322 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
30 1 59651323 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
31 1 59651324 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
32 1 59651325 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
33 1 59651326 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
34 1 59651327 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
35 1 59651328 MINT 9 1989 Topps Traded 41T Ken Griffey Jr. Card
36 1 59651329 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Traded 41T Ken Griffey Jr. Card
37 1 59651330 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Traded 41T Ken Griffey Jr. Card
38 1 59651331 NEAR MINT 7 1989 Topps Traded 41T Ken Griffey Jr. Card
39 1 59651332 MINT 9 1989 Topps Traded 41T Ken Griffey Jr. Card
40 1 59651333 MINT 9 1989 Topps Traded 41T Ken Griffey Jr. Card
41 1 59651334 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Traded 41T Ken Griffey Jr. Card
42 1 59651335 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Donruss 4 Ken Griffey Jr. Diamond Kings Card
43 1 59651336 NEAR MINT 7 1987 Donruss 361 Barry Bonds Card
44 1 59651337 NEAR MINT 7 1987 Donruss 361 Barry Bonds Card
45 1 59651338 NEAR MINT 7 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
46 1 59651339 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
47 1 59651340 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
48 1 59651341 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
49 1 59651342 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
50 1 59651343 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
51 1 59651344 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Fleer Glossy 369 Bo Jackson Card
52 1 59651345 NEAR MINT 7 1987 Donruss 35 Bo Jackson Card
53 1 59651346 NEAR MINT 7 1987 Donruss 35 Bo Jackson Card
54 1 59651347 MINT 9 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
55 1 59651348 MINT 9 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
56 1 59651349 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
57 1 59651350 MINT 9 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
58 1 59651351 MINT 9 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
59 1 59651352 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
60 1 59651353 MINT 9 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
61 1 59651354 MINT 9 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
62 1 59651355 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
63 1 59651356 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
64 1 59651357 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1986 Topps Traded 50T Bo Jackson Card
65 1 59651358 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Donruss Opening Day 205 Bo Jackson Card
66 1 59651359 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Pro Set 155 Bo Jackson Card
67 1 59651360 MINT 9 1990 Pro Set 102 Barry Sanders Card
68 1 59651361 MINT 9 1989 Topps Traded 70T Troy Aikman Card
69 1 59651362 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Traded 70T Troy Aikman Card
70 1 59651363 MINT 9 1989 Topps Traded 70T Troy Aikman Card
71 1 59651364 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Fleer Update U-68 Greg Maddux Card
72 1 59651365 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Topps 144 Mark Bavaro Card
73 1 59651366 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Topps 144 Mark Bavaro Card

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    VagabondVagabond Posts: 551 ✭✭✭✭

    Brutal.

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    Historicalwood71Historicalwood71 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭

    I'm very sorry! It use to be different! Because I know if anyone is sending that amount of cards .... They know what a supposed 9 looks like .. maybe a 10. I say stay away from vintage until that pans out.

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    NGS428NGS428 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the selection of cards you sent. Sorry about the grades.

    Nic

    Guides Authored - Graded Card Scanning Guide PDF | History of the PSA Label PDF

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    MilehighHOFMilehighHOF Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @NGS428 said:
    I like the selection of cards you sent. Sorry about the grades.

    Thanks. This was very nostalgic submission. All cards from when I collected in the 80s.

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    MilehighHOFMilehighHOF Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @Historicalwood71 said:
    I'm very sorry! It use to be different! Because I know if anyone is sending that amount of cards .... They know what a supposed 9 looks like .. maybe a 10. I say stay away from vintage until that pans out.

    I'm staying away from ever submitting cards again. Lol.

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    coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The major grading companies are tough on 87 topps baseball.

    Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!

    Ignore list -Basebal21

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    Historicalwood71Historicalwood71 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭

    @MilehighHOF said:

    @Historicalwood71 said:
    I'm very sorry! It use to be different! Because I know if anyone is sending that amount of cards .... They know what a supposed 9 looks like .. maybe a 10. I say stay away from vintage until that pans out.

    I'm staying away from ever submitting cards again. Lol.

    LOL!! I'd wait until the economic depression is over. Lol, it's coming and we won't worry about grades here soon. But in a good way ... It'll be a brand new start with lower prices I believe. Recessions USUALLY get companies back down to Earth

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    dictoresnodictoresno Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1987 Topps from what ive subbed, can be wonkey. similar to 1985 topps, there could be alot of bumps in the card stock that can hinder higher grades.

    that being said, alot of people are being 9'ed to death on alot of subs, myself included. I just purchased a card that is a PSA 8 that the original seller said was a BGS 9 crackout and I can't find anything wrong with it at all that would make it even a 9, let alone an 8.

    myslabs.to/smzcards

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    AANVAANV Posts: 332 ✭✭✭

    @MilehighHOF said:

    @Historicalwood71 said:
    I'm very sorry! It use to be different! Because I know if anyone is sending that amount of cards .... They know what a supposed 9 looks like .. maybe a 10. I say stay away from vintage until that pans out.

    I'm staying away from ever submitting cards again. Lol.

    Yeah, I've said that line many times before. PSA just keeps taking my money, though!

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    BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MilehighHOF said: I'm getting out of the grading game and will keep my day job:

    I did the same years ago. Got tired of hearing "Oh, you got the grader of death" or "Just crack and re-sub". Sorry about your results - that must have cost a bundle to get that many cards graded.

    Daniel
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    1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭✭

    You submitted in early 2021? Dang. What were the submission fees for those cards?

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    moonlightgrahammoonlightgraham Posts: 330 ✭✭✭

    I feel your pain. I just had a similar experience. The brutal details are below.

    I recall putting this sub together when hearing the rumor that PSA was either going to raise fees or shut down. This was also the time when the market was going crazy price wise so I sent some lower priced cards in I wouldn't normally send for grading.

    Line # Item # Grade Description Type
    1 1 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Fleer Sticker 1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Card
    2 1 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Fleer Sticker 2 Larry Bird Card
    3 1 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Fleer Sticker 2 Larry Bird Card
    4 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1986 Fleer Sticker 3 Adrian Dantley Card
    5 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1986 Fleer Sticker 3 Adrian Dantley Card
    6 1 MINT 9 1986 Fleer Sticker 4 Alex English Card
    7 1 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Fleer Sticker 4 Alex English Card
    8 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 5 Julius Erving Card
    9 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 6 Patrick Ewing Card
    10 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 7 Magic Johnson Card
    11 1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1986 Fleer Sticker 7 Magic Johnson Card
    12 1 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Fleer Sticker 9 Akeem Olajuwon Card
    13 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 9 Akeem Olajuwon Card
    14 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 10 Isiah Thomas Card
    15 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 10 Isiah Thomas Card
    16 1 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Fleer Sticker 11 Dominique Wilkins Card
    17 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 11 Dominique Wilkins Card
    18 1 MINT 9 1992 Topps 362 Shaquille O'Neal Card
    19 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1992 Topps 362 Shaquille O'Neal Card
    20 1 MINT 9 1989 Pro Set 494 Barry Sanders Card
    21 1 MINT 9 1989 Pro Set 494 Barry Sanders Card
    22 1 MINT 9 1989 Pro Set 494 Barry Sanders Card
    23 1 MINT 9 1989 Topps Traded 83T Barry Sanders Card
    24 1 MINT 9 1989 Topps Traded 83T Barry Sanders Card
    25 1 MINT 9 1989 Topps Traded 83T Barry Sanders Card
    26 1 MINT 9 2013 Bowman Chrome 24 Nolan Arenado Refractor Card
    27 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2003 Upper Deck Honor Roll Popular Acclaim PA7 LeBron James Card
    28 1 NEAR MINT 7 1990 Fleer All-Stars 5 Michael Jordan Card
    29 1 N8: MISCUT 1988 Fleer Sticker 7 Michael Jordan Card
    30 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 Fleer 67 Magic Johnson Card
    31 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1993 Finest 2 Larry Bird Card
    32 1 MINT 9 1994 Topps 158 SS Prospects Miller/Wilson/Jeter/Neal Card
    33 1 GEM MINT 10 2016 Bowman Prospects BP17 Fernando Tatis Jr. Card

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    cgfalconecgfalcone Posts: 92 ✭✭✭

    @moonlightgraham said:
    I feel your pain. I just had a similar experience. The brutal details are below.

    I recall putting this sub together when hearing the rumor that PSA was either going to raise fees or shut down. This was also the time when the market was going crazy price wise so I sent some lower priced cards in I wouldn't normally send for grading.

    I see I’m not the only one who has had bad results with the 86 fleer basketball stickers. A reputable dealer recently told me that he finds it hard to predict the grades for those cards in particular lately.

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    MilehighHOFMilehighHOF Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @BaltimoreYankee said:

    @MilehighHOF said: I'm getting out of the grading game and will keep my day job:

    I did the same years ago. Got tired of hearing "Oh, you got the grader of death" or "Just crack and re-sub". Sorry about your results - that must have cost a bundle to get that many cards graded.

    Yeah, no way I'll ever crack and resub any of these. I have my fingers crossed that my next order isn't as bad.

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    MilehighHOFMilehighHOF Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:
    You submitted in early 2021? Dang. What were the submission fees for those cards?

    I submitted right before the shut down and I think they were $12 per card.

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    MilehighHOFMilehighHOF Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @moonlightgraham said:
    I feel your pain. I just had a similar experience. The brutal details are below.

    I recall putting this sub together when hearing the rumor that PSA was either going to raise fees or shut down. This was also the time when the market was going crazy price wise so I sent some lower priced cards in I wouldn't normally send for grading.

    I did the same thing you did by submitting cards I wouldn't have normally considered before. The sad thing is that even if I got better grades with these it took so long to get them back that the market came way down. Oh well!

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    daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No offense intended, but that's a pretty common result for someone who has only submitted eight cards before.

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    Kepper19Kepper19 Posts: 315 ✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2022 2:16PM

    @coolstanley said:
    The major grading companies are tough on 87 topps baseball.

    I would like to see some scans of some of these cards...I would bet anything the centering is what got a majority of the cards, especially the '87 Topps

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    MilehighHOFMilehighHOF Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @daltex said:
    No offense intended, but that's a pretty common result for someone who has only submitted eight cards before.

    No offense taken, but I have only submitted 8 cards that fall into the modern category (four 10s and four 9s). Submitted around 100 vintage cards. Not a big submitter, but have been in the hobby for over a decade and have owned around 1,000 PSA graded cards so I'm not a complete novice. Pretty sure if we were back in 2015 and I was willing to crack and re-sub these cards the results might be different.

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