Wicked cool error coin! Yes or No?

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  • PhillyJoe
    PhillyJoe Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭✭
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    Man Made.

    I voted man made because I don’t see how that made it past the counter machinery for the rolls and bags.

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  • JBK
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    No

    @PhillyJoe said:
    I voted man made because I don’t see how that made it past the counter machinery for the rolls and bags.

    I think they go by weight - for the bags (the mint does not roll coins).

  • savitale
    savitale Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wouldn't a saddle strike have an exactly known spacing between the two strikes based on the position of the dies in the press? If so, does this coin match that spacing?

  • gumby1234
    gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yes

    @savitale it appears to be double struck but not a saddle strike. Two separate off center strikes its what it appears to be.

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  • savitale
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    Isn't there an error called struck through reeding? Is it possible that is what caused the tire-tread marks?

  • jmlanzaf
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    No

    @savitale said:
    Isn't there an error called struck through reeding? Is it possible that is what caused the tire-tread marks?

    Cents don't have reeding.

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  • CaptHenway
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    If the threaded object impacted this piece after the strike(s), there would be furrows raised up alongside the cuts. Think of a freshly plowed field.

    If the threaded objects was between the planchet and the obverse die during the strike, the obverse die would not have been able to get through to strike up the design next to the threaded object, such as the 20, BER, etc.

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  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @CaptHenway said:
    If the threaded object impacted this piece after the strike(s), there would be furrows raised up alongside the cuts. Think of a freshly plowed field.

    If the threaded objects was between the planchet and the obverse die during the strike, the obverse die would not have been able to get through to strike up the design next to the threaded object, such as the 20, BER, etc.

    That makes sense. It had to be on the planchet first. Thanks for that tidbit of info. If the coin were yours would you send it in. Or do you think it would be a waste of time.

  • CoinBlog
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    Very cool error, Even though the center markings might make it rarer. I think I would prefer the error without the center markings, if I had a choice of one with the markings or not.

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  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @CaptHenway said:
    If the threaded object impacted this piece after the strike(s), there would be furrows raised up alongside the cuts. Think of a freshly plowed field.

    If the threaded objects was between the planchet and the obverse die during the strike, the obverse die would not have been able to get through to strike up the design next to the threaded object, such as the 20, BER, etc.

    I agree. But it also doesn't seem like it could have been furrowed before the two saddle strikes without flattening the furrow. That makes its existence impossible, doesn't it?

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  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    If the threaded object impacted this piece after the strike(s), there would be furrows raised up alongside the cuts. Think of a freshly plowed field.

    If the threaded objects was between the planchet and the obverse die during the strike, the obverse die would not have been able to get through to strike up the design next to the threaded object, such as the 20, BER, etc.

    I agree. But it also doesn't seem like it could have been furrowed before the two saddle strikes without flattening the furrow. That makes its existence impossible, doesn't it?

    He is saying the furrow was flattened during the strike. I think. My biggest problem is I do not know enough about the minting process to figure it out. It is hard to just imagine with out knowledge of the whole process. I am a show me kind of guy.

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ironmanl63 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    If the threaded object impacted this piece after the strike(s), there would be furrows raised up alongside the cuts. Think of a freshly plowed field.

    If the threaded objects was between the planchet and the obverse die during the strike, the obverse die would not have been able to get through to strike up the design next to the threaded object, such as the 20, BER, etc.

    I agree. But it also doesn't seem like it could have been furrowed before the two saddle strikes without flattening the furrow. That makes its existence impossible, doesn't it?

    He is saying the furrow was flattened during the strike. I think. My biggest problem is I do not know enough about the minting process to figure it out. It is hard to just imagine with out knowledge of the whole process. I am a show me kind of guy.

    He's saying the threads are flattened, but what about the other side? It appears to still be rounded.

    And let's ask another question: how would you strike a blank planchet through a bolt without there being any evidence of the reverse die? The reverse die would have to be the anvil against which the bolt was struck.

    I don't know if @CaptHenway is right about it being a Chinese counterfeit. But I think it has to be a fake.

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  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ironmanl63 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    If the threaded object impacted this piece after the strike(s), there would be furrows raised up alongside the cuts. Think of a freshly plowed field.

    If the threaded objects was between the planchet and the obverse die during the strike, the obverse die would not have been able to get through to strike up the design next to the threaded object, such as the 20, BER, etc.

    I agree. But it also doesn't seem like it could have been furrowed before the two saddle strikes without flattening the furrow. That makes its existence impossible, doesn't it?

    He is saying the furrow was flattened during the strike. I think. My biggest problem is I do not know enough about the minting process to figure it out. It is hard to just imagine with out knowledge of the whole process. I am a show me kind of guy.

    I'll go one further: why are the threads BETWEEN the two coin strikes flattened? They never saw a strike?

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  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am just going to have to submit the coin and let the service make a decision. I know this is a PCGS site but for error coins is there a go to company or are the top two very similar?

  • Coin Finder
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    Who took over for Fred at PCGS?

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  • emeraldATV
    emeraldATV Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    2005 ?

  • emeraldATV
    emeraldATV Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Maybe this was the object ? Just throwing it out there.

  • CaptHenway
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    @thebigeng said:
    Who took over for Fred at PCGS?

    Jon Sullivan. Well qualified.

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  • Coin Finder
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    @CaptHenway Thanks! I agree.

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  • Coin Finder
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    If there was an object in the coining chamber it might explain the saddle strike, it could not eject fully and was struck again after a partial ejection. The collar was jammed..

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  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yes

    Bump.

    Any other thoughts on this coin?

  • Fraz
    Fraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It fell on Mars. Rover ran it over. Like a traintrack penny here.

    It’s bizarre.

  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    what else was in the chamber:

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  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Grade has been finalized. I started a new thread for folks to give a guess.

  • nencoin
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    What are your thoughts, Jon? @SullivanNumismatics

  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @nencoin said:
    What are your thoughts, Jon? @SullivanNumismatics

    I believe it is genuine. I am no expert just a novice. As far as grade I have no idea. Not sure how they handle errors.

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