Does a 1921-35 MS-69 or MS-70 Peace Dollar exist?
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I’ve been wondering this for a while… I doubt it’s possible seeing as how these were bulk handled and were never made for collectors… Does anyone know if they exist, and if they do, do you have one? If you don’t have one or they don’t exist, theoretically, how much would it cost to get your hands on one?
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You know our hosts have a population report, a published population report, right?
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Oh, and I assume from the date range you mean Peace dollars but clarifying that in your ask can't hurt.
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Though you didn’t specifically indicate it, presumably, you’re asking about Peace dollars. You can check the published population reports for an easy answer to your question.
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I assume your meaning peace dollars? Took a quick look at PCGS’s pop reports and there are no 69 or 70’s. Couple 68’s here and there.
https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/peace-dollar-1921-1935/26
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You can go to NGC’s site to check if they have graded any also. These pop reports are published publicly. Don’t trust the numbers are exact as crackouts, resubmissions, and crossovers do happen.
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Even MS67 is rare for a Peace dollar. Another interesting note about the Peace dollars?? They do not (or rarely) get graded as a PL. I always thought that was interesting.
I think there are only 2 peace dollars that have the PL designation - but I need to fact check this because it has been a while since we investigated this.
Not by today’s standards. Check back in a few years. It’s feasible that a 68 could be grade inflated to Ms69 some day.
Pretty fascinating. PCGS reports only two 68s have ever been graded, with none higher.
I've argued before that with only a handful of 1921 proof peace dollars struck (11 graded by PCGS!), and those all struck as matte or sandblast, then "circulation" 1921s struck from proof dies would seem to be unusually close to proofs:
a) High relief design would seem to equal higher than usual pressure
b) Small mintage of 1,006,473 across all dies may indicate far fewer strikes per die pair
c) Circulation planchets far closer to matte finish planchets than mirror planchets
The images of the sandblast proofs are striking. But the matte examples are much more subtle.
Now consider of the just 11 proofs graded by PCGS, six are graded 64. How would a 64, 65, or 66 circulation struck from proof dies compare with a 64 proof?
I think those circulation strikes from proof dies are underappreciated and way under valued.
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Interesting that NGC has two 1921 Peace Dollars in MS69. I got to believe those were sent to PCGS to cross at 68 or even 67+. I guess PCGS must think they are overgraded by 2 points!
My impression is that the terms “Matte” and “Sand Blast” are typically used synonymously.
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How does one ID circ strikes from proof dies? I am not seeing any info on that in Coinfacts.
Super rare, for sure.
Here are a couple of MS68 Peace dollar I could locate.
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I am amazed that out of the millions of Peace dollars minted (I did not take the time to add up all the years/mints) that there are no 70's and only two 69's graded. I have read of some of the issues, but still, it just seems there would have to be more top graded coins than that. Really strange. Cheers, RickO
A name on the holder must add a point or so apparently because those carbon spots should keep that piece from 68 status.
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According to our hosts, this is Matte Proof vs. Sandblast/Antique SP:
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Matte refers to the dies being sandblasted and then used for striking.
Sandblast refers to the coin being struck with normal finish dies as a Satin proof and then the finished coin sandblasted individually.
ANACS and ICG also publish their census, but they show just one date/mintmark at a time.
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The technology of the time was very different from today. DIe steels are better hardened (actual temperature measurements instead of color). Presses are capable of higher strike pressure. And at least for proof and specimen issues, better handling equipment.
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The 1925 is one of the most well-struck Peace dollars, here’s my MS65. If a 69 was to turn up it would probably be this year.