Question on Silvertowne, do you know?
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I was wondering if anyone knows or remembers about Silvertowne having a Photo Guarantee something like photo grade from ANA? would one of these be worth anything? just curious saw one at an antique store 
I never saw one before. It is one like in the picture.
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I've never seen one either. I would guess it is from the 1980s and would be of interest to slab collectors. How is the coin sealed in the holder? Can it be removed?
Did you buy it? I’d have been all over it just as a curiosity 😉🙀🦫
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I've never seen anything like this in my search for old holders.
@86Saab - have you run across this style of certificate?
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I did not know that.
@pointfivezero I have never seen one. It looks like some kind of half-assed attempt to get into certification. What I don't get is why it has the back part of an ANACS photo cert attached to it. I'd buy it just because it's ridiculous.
Ridiculous is right, they graded a 1944 dime as a proof when the last Mercury proof dimes were struck in ‘42. Hilarious!
The coin looks to be in a flip and sealed inside the plastic sleeve that holds the certificate. I looked all over for an amount (value) for a Proof did they make any for 1944? couldn't find what I was looking for at the time, so I passed on it.
There are a few different variations of the Silvertowne photo certificates. I believe that these were done in the mid-to-late 1980s. I have never seen the version that is shown in the OP.
The photo certs that I have seen are from Silvertowne Numismatic Portfolio (SNP) from the late 80s. Your cert looks even older and less refined. Neat!
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Thanks for the Information I have never seen one of these before and was wondering about it myself
Well here’s a look at your” half-a++ed “attempt Pretty nice to me.
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not under that id.
@Jzyskowski1 There is no denying SilverTowne's success over the years and in no way does that error in judgement posted by the OP have any bearing on the company today. For all we know that "cert" was created by some nefarious third party using bits from SilverTowne and ANACS to defraud a fool into buying a "proof" 1944 dime.
I have never before seen a Silvertowne certification package. That is a new one for me. I wonder if that plastic containing the dime has PVC?? Cheers, RickO
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This a real interesting post. I think I have only bought from Silvertowne once or twice. If I ever came across an item like this, I definitely would try to purchase it too. Neat
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There no evidence of this. We can't read the coin ID under the post it. Someone else might have swapped the coin.
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Actually if the coin is a Proof-Like (PL) candidate, might be worth sending in.
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This is the SNP cert. Note the rivets.
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I am totally unfamiliar with either of these certificates. The first one does not look like anything that a class act like SIlvertowne would have done. The second one does.
FWIW, John Hunter, who was one of the Authenticators at ANACS when I started there in November of 1978, left to go work for Silvertowne in 1979. This was during the Hunt Brothers craze, and they offered him a lot more money than the ANA was paying at the time. Perhaps at some point Silvertowne decided to offer an in-house certification service that John ran. I don't know. The format is certainly very ANACS-like, including the split grading (which I introduced at ANACS) and the alpha-####-alpha coin number.
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fwiw, a lot of information has surfaced since that time and i'm willing to bet that if a couple dozen very experienced numismatists put their info together, they could make a list of things that have been discovered (and verified) since then that a lot of people thought didn't/couldn't exist and probably debunked a few as well.
now since there are coins like these getting the PL designation, i can EASILY see and understand why someone could think certain coins are proofs outside the known and accepted known dates/types. (imagine the amount of time and effort JUST spent on untangling business strike coins struck from leftover proof dies where diagnostics match up fwiw)
not ranting, just trying to open the minds here to the possibilities and for those that don't spend a lot of time thinking anything is possible usually don't turn up any impossible things. :P (people are STILL finding new marriages in series that have had many savants, dr., phd, scholars, authors, many tpgs, life-long experts and huge qty of people extensively studying usa coin types)
a LOVELY find there. there is something rattling around in my mind about some silvertowne type of cert (or the like) being posted on this forum sometime in the past say, 1-5 years. (sooner rather than later iirc) a decent dig in the archives may turn something up. sometimes it is easier to search the archives from a search engine because as good as the search works and it seems like i recall they have tweaked it at least a couple times, the functionality still leaves a lot to be desired. (no offense)
if the right person/people had decided to go forward with something like this with leon and ruhama and their family/staff behind it full force, i bet they could have rivaled all/any of the big coin company distributors/tpgs, some of which survive even to today. if that man (leon) knew one thing besides being a consummate business man and kind (if not aggressive of course), is how to do things BIG!
ok, enough of that.