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Doubling on the Missions 2019 Quarter

I found two 2019 Missions quarters with some sort of doubling. They are very simular yet different. Can you please tell me what causes this and if there is possible value here.

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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That looks quite interesting. I look forward to see what some of the experienced error guys say.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A full photo of this side and the other of your coin would be helpful.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @arby96 .... Welcome aboard. It looks interesting, further pictures would help. Cheers, RickO

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    arby96arby96 Posts: 229 ✭✭✭




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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can you do a pic of just the word “Mission” ?



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    arby96arby96 Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    @Type2 said:
    Can you do a pic of just the word “Mission” ?

    Yes I can do that

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you just want to see if there is any shifting in all the letters or just that one.



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    arby96arby96 Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    Here you go Type2.

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    arby96arby96 Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    @Type2 said:
    Thank you just want to see if there is any shifting in all the letters or just that one.

    What about the M on the first photo?

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome back! :)

    Looks like you have some fun finds to share. ;)

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The stronger one looks like a doubled die to me.
    I think there is a chance the other one is too but a little harder to say for sure.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @arby96 said:
    What about the M on the first photo?

    Can you get a better picture of it?

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All I can see in this post is the “S” pic don’t see any other pic with a “M” now this is what you can do send it to one of them to get attributed and if it does it will receive a FS number or it may not. But in my eye it’s not really worth it because it just one letter and it will cost you one coin and a small fee. Here are the names. Good luck and let us know if you do send it in.



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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That list from that book is ancient

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,434 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2022 6:25PM

    The first photo is interesting

    Usually with mechanical doubling on these incuse letters has only a slight spread

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,904 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2022 7:04PM

    It looks more like die deterioration than anything else to me, but these singe squeeze hubbings are tricky and I have seen some things like this get attributed as minor DD's. I would suggest posting on the CONECA forum for more feedback.

    Edited to add: after viewing the photo you posted just below of the M I will reverse my stance as that seems to show some splits on the serfs. You should be able to get this one attributed as a DDR.

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    arby96arby96 Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:

    @arby96 said:
    What about the M on the first photo?

    Can you get a better picture of it?

    Taking a closer look at the M mabye just a Die Crack?

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, looks like a die crack. ;)
    That's what I was thinking, it didn't match up to the shift of the S.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like the top of the N may show a little doubling on the stronger example.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    M - I’ll just call it an anomaly

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    OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looking at the close up pic of the 1st coin, there looks like there could be a split serif, but it looks like the S is thinner than normal. I can't see how that would occur during class IX doubling. Could the notch be an artifact of the lighting and shadows? I believe this is Mechanical doubling, but would change my mind if additional close ups confirm the split serif

    As @coinbuf and others have said, this die was made from using the single squeeze process. Most Class IX doubling occurs near the center of the die. Further complicating things is the letters are incuse, which means they are raised on the Working die and incused on the working hub. So the shallowest part (the thin S) would be the first part pressed, then the hub would have to shift to form the rest of the letter. Don't know if this is significant, but thought I would throw it out there.

    The following links have info on class IX doubling

    https://www.error-ref.com/doubled-dies/
    https://www.doubleddie.com/58222.html

    BTW: I don't see any split serifs on the second coin

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    tincuptincup Posts: 4,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2022 8:12PM

    I'm not convinced it is a doubled die. Machine doubling does funky things with incuse lettering. That would also explain why the two examples you found are different.

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