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Is this an error or a contemporary counterfeit?

The reverse has an appearance of a shattered die, but the observe has all these bubbles which make me think its a counterfeit? Hoping more experienced members can chime in.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265486294077?hash=item3dd0375c3d%3Ag%3A8ukAAOSwzDxh1ijn&nma=true&si=awcA7FOMOmzYMq%252B%252FlpA6EWmHXp8%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not genuine IMO.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "which make me think its a counterfeit"

    You hit the nail on the head. ;)

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The bubbles are in a substance adhering to the surface

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The bubbles are in a substance adhering to the surface

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 11,324 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with @MsMorrisine - looks like someone poured a clear urethane type substance over the coin and it wrapped around to the reverse. Obviously not an error as stated in the auction.

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:
    Agree with @MsMorrisine - looks like someone poured a clear urethane type substance over the coin and it wrapped around to the reverse. Obviously not an error as stated in the auction.

    Will a soak in acetone remove this urethane? I guess it wouldn't hurt to try.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unknown substance
    Unknown solution

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So wrong, in so many ways.
    Even the mint mark is wrong.

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    habaracahabaraca Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bad case of cudies get out the sanitizer

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Genuine, covered with epoxy on the obverse, and a little around the rims on the reverse.
    Since it is a two-part adhesive (resin plus catalyst/hardener), typical solvents won't touch it.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    Genuine, covered with epoxy on the obverse, and a little around the rims on the reverse.
    Since it is a two-part adhesive (resin plus catalyst/hardener), typical solvents won't touch it.

    I wonder if it can be removed with heat from a small butane torch.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @dcarr said:
    Genuine, covered with epoxy on the obverse, and a little around the rims on the reverse.
    Since it is a two-part adhesive (resin plus catalyst/hardener), typical solvents won't touch it.

    I wonder if it can be removed with heat from a small butane torch.

    I've done that for epoxied coins that I need to prepare for over-striking.
    The problem is, the resin in the epoxy doesn't melt or peel off - it burns.
    So the result is a blackened/scorched coin. I can then get the black off by sand-blasting.
    But that ruins the surface for any collector coin (but it works OK if I am going to over-strike the coin).

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess that coin is destined for the melt bucket. :'(

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It certainly did not leave the mint in that condition... Get melt price and move on. Cheers, RickO

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