Lincoln 09S question.
jesbroken
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I have seen 5 1909 S Lincoln Cents with a tilted S Mint mark today, yet all of the mintmarks in the now famous 4 mintmark chart, show no tilted mintmarks. So, at a glance, if an 09S mintmark is tilted to the right it is a counterfeit. Is that a fair statement?
Jim
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Dies are used and retired
The question is about a plain 09 S
Do we know those 4 SVDB obverse dies were solely used for the plain 09S?
I don't know, that's why I'm asking. Since the chart came out I thought that they were the same, but now not sure. We constantly provife samples of currently selling counterfeit 09SVDB lincolns, but not the 09S plain. Just curious.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Not a fair statement. High left 'S' on 1909-S AND 1909-S V.D.B. has a great deal of tilt to the right (Harsche die #1). Medium high right (1909-S only) has tilt to the right (Harsche die #4). Far low, far right (Harsche die #6) has tilt to the right. Die #6 was also used for 1909-S V.D.B. To summarize, 3 of the 6 known die positions of 'S' for 1909-S cents have definite, easy to see, 'S' tilt to the right.
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I was looking for it and could not find it. Somewhere on here is a Burdette photo of a Mint document showing the number of obverse and reverse dies for the Early Lincoln years.
I am guessing he and it contain that answer.
Perhaps you might find some tilted S photos in CoinFacts.
There are photos of 1909-S Lincolns in Detecting Altered Coins by Bert Harsche. Harsche does not identify some 1909-S V.D.B.'s as coming from the die he numbers #6 (far low, far right) but they definitely exist. My 1909-S without V.D.B. is from die #6 as is my 1909-S with V.D.B. The 'S' tilts right on both pieces.
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."
---Will Rogers (Nov 4, 1879-Aug 15,1935)
Thanks for your help.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Only one. This one:
Pete
How about the weaker 09-S VDB what mint mark does that have?
Hoard the keys.
So Pete, this is the only non VDB 09S die used?
Thanks for your help.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Yep Jim. There are no reports of any other.
Die#1 must have been in the press when they stopped it to replace the reverse non-VDB die, at least that's the way I see it.
Pete
I have a 1909-S without V.D.B. that is far low, far right AND a 1909-S V.D.B. that is from the same die as my 1909-S. Harsche identified six dies used to make 1909-S cents either without V.D.B. on the reverse or with V.D.B. on the reverse. I'm getting that three of the six obverse dies used were for both V.D.B. on the reverse and no V.D.B. on the reverse. See Detecting Altered Coins by Bert Harsche. Harsche devotes five pages of his forty-eight page pamphlet to discussion and images of 1909-S and 1909-S V.D.B. cents. The 1909-S in the image posted does not match any of the six obverse dies identified by Harsche.What is the source for the image posted that is being called from "Position #1"?
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."
---Will Rogers (Nov 4, 1879-Aug 15,1935)