Gorgeous Toned 1925 Peace Dollar on Legend Auctions

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natetrook
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This is an amazing 1925 toned Peace Dollar for sale at Legend ending this week. Graded PCGS 64 CAC. Coin has fabulous color for a peace dollar. Any guesses for final hammer? Has anybody seen one toned this nicely before?

https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lot/105760180/-1-1925-pcgs-ms64-cac?sortOrder=5

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  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The slab shot in the auction and the TrueView look rather different. The slab shot makes it look a little on the crispy side. Fun coin, but not one for me.

  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This is one of those rare times the coin looks better in hand than the TrueView shows.

  • pmh1nic
    pmh1nic Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'd like to know the lighting setup to get the toning to light up like that.

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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here's the slab shot:

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  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't care for this one.

  • Type2
    Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice coin.



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  • TonerGuy
    TonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
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    1925 are hard to find toned. This is wildly toned. For someone creating a set, this is a tough coin to find.

    I like the toning on this one. Its a little dark and I would like more luster. However, you cannot compare it to a 22, 23, or 24 which are far more common. Compared to other 25 its probably the best toned example Ive seen.

  • rip_f
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    @pmh1nic said:
    I'd like to know the lighting setup to get the toning to light up like that.

    I'd like to know how and where this coin was stored for 90 years?
    It's not roll-end or album toning.
    Maybe in a paper envelope or a leather pouch?

    What a beautiful coin.

  • gtstang
    gtstang Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BryceM said:
    The slab shot in the auction and the TrueView look rather different. The slab shot makes it look a little on the crispy side. Fun coin, but not one for me.

    My opinion is that the coin will look different in hand. I've said before (and was laughed at for my comment) that truviews are like glamour shots and may not always reflect the true look in hand. I would think the slab shot pic is more accurate.

  • crazyhounddog
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    My opinion is this is a dark coin lite up nicely with the expert imaging. I wouldn’t expect it would be that attractive in hand. I like it to a degree but it’s too wild for my taste.

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  • crazyhounddog
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    @Zoins said:
    Here's the slab shot:

    That’s what I’m talking about. It’s graded 64 with toning that’s holding back the luster.

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  • ElmerFusterpuck
    ElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In this day and age, that coin should also be represented with a short video clip as well as images. We do that on Instagram all the time. You can tell very quickly if a coin has killer luster or is just a dull silver disc.

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  • CoinJunkie
    CoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Hard pass.

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  • SkyMan
    SkyMan Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Really?

    AT.

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Pass ...

  • bolivarshagnasty
    bolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The obverse ruins it for me. If the obverse were neutral in eye appeal, I might like it a bit more. Would pass on that coin.

  • Che_Grapes
    Che_Grapes Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Rainbow toning (that is natural) is super rare on peace dollars - I really like it personally although I don’t collect them!
    I collect flash white peace dollars with thick luster but I do appreciate legitimate toned peace dollars in general, because they can be interesting. I’ve noticed toned Peace dollars tend to often be S mints ... but that may just be my experience and not a real situation.

  • HoldTheMayo
    HoldTheMayo Posts: 130 ✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2021 5:53PM
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    Would pass on that coin...

  • pmh1nic
    pmh1nic Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't have any coins quite that dark but do have a few that in average room lighting look lifeless but when you turn up the light become alive with color. This is one of the reasons I asked about the lighting used to photograph this coin.

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  • TonerGuy
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    @Che_Grapes said:
    Rainbow toning (that is natural) is super rare on peace dollars - I really like it personally although I don’t collect them!
    I collect flash white peace dollars with thick luster but I do appreciate legitimate toned peace dollars in general, because they can be interesting. I’ve noticed toned Peace dollars tend to often be S mints ... but that may just be my experience and not a real situation.

    San Fran MS examples are actually difficult to find with attractive toning. Try finding a 34-S with great color. Ive come across less than 5. And I bought the one I could afford.

    The 22, 23, and 24-Ps are the ones with the most attractive toning since they have the highest mintage numbers and probably because its not that expensive for a doctor to keep trying to AT common dates.

  • Lazybones
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    Nope.

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  • cameonut2011
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    I’ve seen a few that look this way. It must be the same coin doctor. Sticker or no sticker, it does not look original to me.

  • MFeld
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    @cameonut2011 said:
    I’ve seen a few that look this way. It must be the same coin doctor. Sticker or no sticker, it does not look original to me.

    Or rather than the same coin doctor, a similar set of conditions which led to the coins toning naturally.

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  • anablep
    anablep Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't like this one that much. Too overboard with color saturation makes it look AT, even though it's MA.

    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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  • Jzyskowski1
    Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2021 4:42PM
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    AT. 🤨. Yes I see the slab and the bean.

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  • Joey29
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    @crazyhounddog said:

    @Zoins said:
    Here's the slab shot:

    That’s what I’m talking about. It’s graded 64 with toning that’s holding back the luster.

    @crazyhounddog said:

    @Zoins said:
    Here's the slab shot:

    That’s what I’m talking about. It’s graded 64 with toning that’s holding back the luster.

    Can you post the obverse slab photo ? Please

  • gtstang
    gtstang Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2021 4:46PM
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    @MFeld said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I’ve seen a few that look this way. It must be the same coin doctor. Sticker or no sticker, it does not look original to me.

    Or rather than the same coin doctor, a similar set of conditions which led to the coins toning naturally.

    You never know unless you're in the know. As shown with a previous "monster " toned 1925 peace dollar, this one could've also gone from questionable to ms64 to ms64+ to ms64+cac.
    Obviously it's not going to be a bank breaker for whoever buys it, but be realistic if you personally do not know the full history of where this coin came from.

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,914 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I’ve seen a few that look this way. It must be the same coin doctor. Sticker or no sticker, it does not look original to me.

    Or rather than the same coin doctor, a similar set of conditions which led to the coins toning naturally.

    I’ll agree with the same conditions, but I do not think this is natural. Do you?

  • SeattleSlammer
    SeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Gonna be expensive. But I’m in the no-thank-you crowd on this one.

  • airplanenut
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    The colors in the TV look off to me and I'm not much of a fan of the pattern. I imagine that they'll look a bit different with some lustre showing, but even still, while the color is highly unusual for a Peace dollar, I can't say I really like the coin. NT or AT doesn't really matter... I'm not bidding.

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  • ACop
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    Jesus 4100. I am so tempted to send my set to Legend but I would cry for a month

  • TonerGuy
    TonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
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    Obviously its difficult to tell from photos but the obverse looks 100% NT. Honestly, the obverse is not that attractive.

    So for those who are saying the coin is AT your premise is that a doctor took a coin with a fairly unattractive obverse and replicated the colors on the reverse in hopes the coin would grade ?

    Or the doctor tried to AT the obverse - didnt do such a great job at creating an attractively toned obverse - but instead of trying a different coin, he just flipped it over and AT the reverse as well ?

    Neither really make sense.

    The photos are far more colorful than the coin in hand. Dark bronzes and golds are not unusual colors for toned Peace $ Neither are dark greens and reds. I have no doubt that this coin is 100% NT. For $4100 this might be a case of someone buying the photos and not the coin.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @cameonut2011 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I’ve seen a few that look this way. It must be the same coin doctor. Sticker or no sticker, it does not look original to me.

    Or rather than the same coin doctor, a similar set of conditions which led to the coins toning naturally.

    I’ll agree with the same conditions, but I do not think this is natural. Do you?

    I do.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • sTONER
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    to me it looks like Accelerated Toning, apparently acceptable these days

    toner loner
  • JimTyler
    JimTyler Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Already $4100 bid plus juice for a common Peace $ it has to close to done. Those (almost) never look as good as the picture. You end up twisting and turning under 10 different lights to replicate the color then you can say “ there you go it really does look like that”. Don’t people realize there are real coins “worth” that much ?

  • gtstang
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    The scratch across "in God we trust" and same area on the reverse is not as easily seen with all the toning. Odd how it's on both sides in the same area.

  • Zoins
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    edited December 16, 2021 8:39AM
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    @Joey29 said:

    @crazyhounddog said:

    @Zoins said:
    Here's the slab shot:

    That’s what I’m talking about. It’s graded 64 with toning that’s holding back the luster.

    Can you post the obverse slab photo ? Please

    It cannot be posted right now as it's not provided by the auction service.

    I do hope that they post both sides of the slab one day, like all other major auction services.

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