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Starting October 3, 2021 The USPS will be charging a postal surcharge of .30 per first class package and a minimum of .75 per Flat Rate Package.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @djm said:
    Starting October 3, 2021 The USPS will be charging a postal surcharge of .30 per first class package and a minimum of .75 per Flat Rate Package.

    Is this different than simply raising prices? Sounds like ~10% increase...?

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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK? EVERYTHING is going up now.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Holiday surcharge, will be rolled back after the holiday rush.

    Not to be confused with rate hikes.

    In any case, we have serious inflation going on in case no one noticed. The USPS is not immune.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Am I missing something or have they done this before?

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 23, 2021 8:50AM

    @amwldcoin said:
    Am I missing something or have they done this before?

    "The extra charges will apply to both individuals and corporations. The USPS rolled out the surcharges last year for commercial customers."

    "UPS and FedEx also started putting surcharges on shipments during the holiday season in 2020."

    Source

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks as if this will become an annual process. Likely an attempt to compensate for added labor hours/employees. Cheers, RickO

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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Holiday surcharge, will be rolled back after the holiday rush.

    Not to be confused with rate hikes.

    In any case, we have serious inflation going on in case no one noticed. The USPS is not immune.

    Thank you.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @edgar said:

    @JBK said:

    In any case, we have serious inflation going on in case no one noticed. The USPS is not immune.

    On top of "shrinkflation". They just announced that they will deliberately slow(er) all deliveries. So we will pay more for less.

    I think it's a little more involved than just "deliberately" making the mail slower.

    They are not going to sit on a letter for a day or two just for the sake of doing it. They are changing the way the mail is moved (less air travel).

    When faced with increased operating costs, options are:

    1) cost cutting and raising rates

    2) Congress funding the USPS

    Take your pick.

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MWallace said:
    OK? EVERYTHING is going up now.

    Just about everything, my paycheck has not gone up to cover these increases.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did the surcharges apply to ebay labels? I don't recall paying a surcharge last year but maybe my mind is growing more feeble! B)

    @MetroD said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Am I missing something or have they done this before?

    "The extra charges will apply to both individuals and corporations. The USPS rolled out the surcharges last year for commercial customers."

    "UPS and FedEx also started putting surcharges on shipments during the holiday season in 2020."

    Source

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    djmdjm Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

    @djm said:
    Starting October 3, 2021 The USPS will be charging a postal surcharge of .30 per first class package and a minimum of .75 per Flat Rate Package.

    Is this different than simply raising prices? Sounds like ~10% increase...?

    Yes, the rates go back to normal on 12/26/2021

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    djmdjm Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Did the surcharges apply to ebay labels? I don't recall paying a surcharge last year but maybe my mind is growing more feeble! B)

    @MetroD said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Am I missing something or have they done this before?

    "The extra charges will apply to both individuals and corporations. The USPS rolled out the surcharges last year for commercial customers."

    "UPS and FedEx also started putting surcharges on shipments during the holiday season in 2020."

    Source

    Yes they did.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You made me go look at my last years records. I see no surcharges added to my shipping purchased through ebay! Perhaps it didn't apply to 1st class packages as I rarely need to use priority.

    @djm said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Did the surcharges apply to ebay labels? I don't recall paying a surcharge last year but maybe my mind is growing more feeble! B)

    @MetroD said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Am I missing something or have they done this before?

    "The extra charges will apply to both individuals and corporations. The USPS rolled out the surcharges last year for commercial customers."

    "UPS and FedEx also started putting surcharges on shipments during the holiday season in 2020."

    Source

    Yes they did.

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    You made me go look at my last years records. I see no surcharges added to my shipping purchased through ebay! Perhaps it didn't apply to 1st class packages as I rarely need to use priority.

    The 2020 details can be found here.
    The latest on 2021 can be found here.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeap, I didn't look far enough back. That camel's back is getting closer and closer to the ground.

    @MetroD said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    You made me go look at my last years records. I see no surcharges added to my shipping purchased through ebay! Perhaps it didn't apply to 1st class packages as I rarely need to use priority.

    The 2020 details can be found here.
    The latest on 2021 can be found here.

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    coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    if you think the mail is slow now, wait until November. i don't even try selling things under 100 dollars anymore, simply not worth it

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinpalice said:
    if you think the mail is slow now, wait until November. i don't even try selling things under 100 dollars anymore, simply not worth it

    Does the slower mail fundamentally change the margins?

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    coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    no, but the stress of slow mail gets to the point where you don't even like selling, usps gets so backed up, that's when packages get lost

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinpalice said:
    no, but the stress of slow mail gets to the point where you don't even like selling, usps gets so backed up, that's when packages get lost

    Yeah, and then you have to decide whether to insure the low value stuff, due to delays and added risk. Gotcha.

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinpalice said:
    if you think the mail is slow now, wait until November. i don't even try selling things under 100 dollars anymore, simply not worth it

    Trust me, it won't be nearly as bad as last November! ;)

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @edgar said:

    @JBK said:

    In any case, we have serious inflation going on in case no one noticed. The USPS is not immune.

    On top of "shrinkflation". They just announced that they will deliberately slow(er) all deliveries. So we will pay more for less.

    I think it's a little more involved than just "deliberately" making the mail slower.

    They are not going to sit on a letter for a day or two just for the sake of doing it. They are changing the way the mail is moved (less air travel).

    Actually, I think they may be doing just that, at least for First Class packages. In the last few months, such items do not always get scanned at my local distribution center the same day as I drop them off, but they always did previously.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 23, 2021 3:32PM

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @JBK said:

    @edgar said:

    @JBK said:

    In any case, we have serious inflation going on in case no one noticed. The USPS is not immune.

    On top of "shrinkflation". They just announced that they will deliberately slow(er) all deliveries. So we will pay more for less.

    I think it's a little more involved than just "deliberately" making the mail slower.

    They are not going to sit on a letter for a day or two just for the sake of doing it. They are changing the way the mail is moved (less air travel).

    Actually, I think they may be doing just that, at least for First Class packages. In the last few months, such items do not always get scanned at my local distribution center the same day as I drop them off, but they always did previously.

    I could believe that, but I don't think they are doing it just to do it. There may be staffing issues, or transport issues, like what we saw last holiday season.

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JBK said:

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @JBK said:

    @edgar said:

    @JBK said:

    In any case, we have serious inflation going on in case no one noticed. The USPS is not immune.

    On top of "shrinkflation". They just announced that they will deliberately slow(er) all deliveries. So we will pay more for less.

    I think it's a little more involved than just "deliberately" making the mail slower.

    They are not going to sit on a letter for a day or two just for the sake of doing it. They are changing the way the mail is moved (less air travel).

    Actually, I think they may be doing just that, at least for First Class packages. In the last few months, such items do not always get scanned at my local distribution center the same day as I drop them off, but they always did previously.

    I could believe that, but I don't think they are doing it just to do it. There may be staffing issues, or transport issues, like what we saw last holiday season.

    I agree. There's no advantage in intentionally allowing mail to pile up. They are probably just scheduling fewer transports to make sure trucks are full.

    I guess people getting fed up with delays and spending extra money for Priority doesn't constitute an advantage to USPS. In your universe, anyway...

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Domestic Mail & Shipping Services

    Service - Shipping Time
    Priority Mail® - 1–3 Days
    First-Class Mail® - Estimated 1–3 Days

    From here:

    https://www.usps.com/ship/

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Figured I would toss this in as this had a bearing on how I missed it. Anyone notice the rates are a tad higher now than the surcharged prices of last year? I bet come before spring the same thing will happen.

    @amwldcoin said:
    Yeap, I didn't look far enough back. That camel's back is getting closer and closer to the ground.

    @MetroD said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    You made me go look at my last years records. I see no surcharges added to my shipping purchased through ebay! Perhaps it didn't apply to 1st class packages as I rarely need to use priority.

    The 2020 details can be found here.
    The latest on 2021 can be found here.

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JBK said:

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @JBK said:

    @edgar said:

    @JBK said:

    In any case, we have serious inflation going on in case no one noticed. The USPS is not immune.

    On top of "shrinkflation". They just announced that they will deliberately slow(er) all deliveries. So we will pay more for less.

    I think it's a little more involved than just "deliberately" making the mail slower.

    They are not going to sit on a letter for a day or two just for the sake of doing it. They are changing the way the mail is moved (less air travel).

    Actually, I think they may be doing just that, at least for First Class packages. In the last few months, such items do not always get scanned at my local distribution center the same day as I drop them off, but they always did previously.

    I could believe that, but I don't think they are doing it just to do it. There may be staffing issues, or transport issues, like what we saw last holiday season.

    I agree. There's no advantage in intentionally allowing mail to pile up. They are probably just scheduling fewer transports to make sure trucks are full.

    I guess people getting fed up with delays and spending extra money for Priority doesn't constitute an advantage to USPS. In your universe, anyway...

    I take it you didn't take @MFeld IM to heart.

    No, I did. I've been trying even harder to ignore you, but it's difficult when you directly reply to my post.

    I'm not one for conspiracy theories. People who want speed already opt for priority in most cases. But, I'll listen to any actual postal workers in the crowd. I mean, postal workers who work in my universe.

    Good to know that the postal workers in your universe are privy to the motivations of top brass and always tell you and other customers the unvarnished truth.

    I suppose in your universe frustration in slow mail delivery doesn't cause people to use UPS or FedEx instead. But I guess that might be considered an "advantage" in your universe.

    No, in my universe people are intelligent and rational. Since UPS and FedEx cost more than Priority for small parcels (you know, the ones that might have been eligible for 1st Class), people here wouldn't throw money away for no good reason.

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