I just checked my 2013 W 2-coin set, PCGS 70, both got toned. Very frustrated!

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Samuel8
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How about yours?

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  • derryb
    derryb Posts: 38,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    much color in the slab labels?

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  • Samuel8
    Samuel8 Posts: 432 ✭✭✭
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    @derryb said:
    much color in the slab labels?

    same label as this one.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/224394309189?_trkparms=amclksrc=ITM&aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160908105057&meid=0d7888d15eed4a90b07d231fa85f2a57&pid=100675&rk=2&rkt=15&sd=284422089422&itm=224394309189&pmt=0&noa=1&pg=2380057&brand=U.S.+Mint&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci:f8d50997-1726-11ec-8b93-4a22b4675326|parentrq:f026a34b17b0a4b6a9ad5280fffc7e90|iid:1

  • derryb
    derryb Posts: 38,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2021 12:53PM
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    unless a slab label is completely isolated from the coin, it's inks are a good source for toning.

    What say you PCGS? Are your labels able to gas the coins?

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  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Where did you store them? What were the temp and humidity levels?

    The joys of buying modern PF/MS70s.

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Old money is better than new.

  • Samuel8
    Samuel8 Posts: 432 ✭✭✭
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    @derryb said:
    unless a slab label is completely isolated from the coin, it's inks are a good source for toning.

    What say you PCGS? Are your labels able to gas the coins?

    It seems you are right.
    Both coins, the top portion about 2 mm from edge get toned.

  • Samuel8
    Samuel8 Posts: 432 ✭✭✭
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    @JBK said:
    Where did you store them? What were the temp and humidity levels?

    The joys of buying modern PF/MS70s.

    They are stored in PCGS 20-slab box, in a First Alert 1.6 cu. ft. safe, in office room temp is always around 72. The humidity in the safe is probably high. I should have open it once in a while as instructed in the manual.

  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If it is a fireproof safe, some are designed to maintain high humidity inside to help with fireproofing.

    Mr_Spud

  • Mindy9773
    Mindy9773 Posts: 162 ✭✭✭
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    Do you guys think having a large humidifier in the room with the safe is good or bad being that it draws so much water?

  • TurtleCat
    TurtleCat Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Just some desiccant that you refresh periodically should be enough. You might also consider intercept shield holders for each slab to provide additional help preventing a chemical reaction.

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A humidifier, that puts moisture into the air? :#

    A dehumidifier would almost always be good for coins.

  • oih82w8
    oih82w8 Posts: 13,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Toning can be a good thing, tarnish is the opposite, imo. How about some images?

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  • Mindy9773
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    Sorry I meant dehumidifier, but it always has a lot of water built up in it

  • cheezhed
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    Pics?

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  • Mindy9773
    Mindy9773 Posts: 162 ✭✭✭
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    I’m thinking it’s a body of water in there

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2021 11:53AM
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    My guess is that it's ok (I have one, too).

    Better in the machine than in the air.

  • Jzyskowski1
    Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I check all my coins every 6 months or so. Stored proper. Now and again. Spots and dots. Usually in slabs it does suck

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  • derryb
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    @oih82w8 said:
    Toning can be a good thing, tarnish is the opposite, imo. How about some images?

    aren't they really the same thing, called toning if attractive and tarnish if not?

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  • derryb
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    @TurtleCat said:
    Just some desiccant that you refresh periodically should be enough. You might also consider intercept shield holders for each slab to provide additional help preventing a chemical reaction.

    If slab labels are the source of the offending chemical, any steps taken external to a sealed slab should have little bearing on the OP's situation. It is likely either a slab design defect (not designed to seal off the label, or the coin) or an error in joining the two halves together to get a designed seal. Either way it is probably something the TPGs should address, investigate, and resolve. I have seen similar problems with slabbed American Gold Eagles.

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  • RMLTM79
    RMLTM79 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2021 4:47PM
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    @Samuel8 said:
    How about yours?

    Bought 6 silver kilo Panda coins in 2015. Sent the nicest one off to PCGS, came back a 70. 5 years later i open them up to check on them and I find the PCGS coin is riddled with chicken pox, front and back. The other 5 in their original packaging were flawless. All 6 coins stored in the exact same place so I don't know anymore. I'm sorry but I wont buy modern silver in the our hosts' holders.

  • Steven59
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    @RMLTM79 said:
    (Bought 6 silver kilo Panda coins in 2015. Sent the nicest one off to PCGS, came back a 70. 5 years later i open them up to check on them and I find the PCGS coin is riddled with chicken pox, front and back. The other 5 in their original packaging were flawless. All 6 coins stored in the exact same place so I don't know anymore. )

    Turned out the coin graders assistant wasn't there the day your coin was graded........

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  • MetroD
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    @TurtleCat said:
    Just some desiccant that you refresh periodically should be enough. You might also consider intercept shield holders for each slab to provide additional help preventing a chemical reaction.

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  • Samuel8
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    @MetroD said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    Just some desiccant that you refresh periodically should be enough. You might also consider intercept shield holders for each slab to provide additional help preventing a chemical reaction.

    Intercept Overview
    Intercept Boxes
    Intercept Strips & Zip-Lock Bags

    If I remember correctly, before the coins are graded, they will stay in flips for several days, and then the grader will handle them with bare hands, right?

  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I know that wood and wood products like some paper can start to outgas if the RH is above 45% and outgas more at higher RH, so it’s all related.

    Mr_Spud

  • MetroD
    MetroD Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2021 11:27PM
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    @Samuel8 said:
    If I remember correctly, before the coins are graded, they will stay in flips for several days, [...]

    "PCGS highly recommends you use mylar flips when submitting your coins for grading. The inert mylar flips will be a better storage unit for your coins while they are in the grading process here at PCGS."
    Source: Link, "Shipping Instructions", Bullet #1

    @Samuel8 said:
    [...] and then the grader will handle them with bare hands, right?

    "PCGS graders and sealers are experts in the proper care and handling of coins. While gloves offer additional protection, they reduce the tactile sensations necessary to properly manipulate coins during the grading process and could increase the chance of dropping a coin."
    Source: Link, "Why don't graders and sealers wear gloves while handling coins?"

    Edited to Add:
    "Every coin submitted to PCGS for grading is reviewed by a minimum of two and in most instances three or more of our grading experts. [...] After each coin has been graded by the graders it is reviewed and the grade is verified by one of our most senior experts."
    Source: Link, "How many PCGS experts (graders) review my submission?"

  • o0o
    o0o Posts: 20 ✭
    edited September 17, 2021 12:48AM
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    How about usmint original capsule, are they good? airtight?

  • pcgscacgold
    pcgscacgold Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My 2014 PF70 ASE turned spotty in the holder so my collection took a turn to Pre-33 gold. Have never purchased another ASE since.

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  • ricko
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    Silver is very prone to tarnish. Most TPG slabs are not hermetically sealed. Therefore, humidity and ambient temperature will produce an environment that is conducive to tarnish. Tarnish is the natural result of environmental degradation as the silver combines with sulfides and other chemicals. Cheers, RickO

  • Metal
    Metal Posts: 122 ✭✭✭
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    I have a PF70 2006 Reverse Proof... milk spot on her dress, (grumble) other than that, it's still a beautiful coin. (shrug) might replace it someday.

  • TurtleCat
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    @o0o said:
    How about usmint original capsule, are they good? airtight?

    No, they aren’t air tight either. They aren’t even as tight as a slab.

  • Samuel8
    Samuel8 Posts: 432 ✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2021 10:56AM
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    @derryb said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    Just some desiccant that you refresh periodically should be enough. You might also consider intercept shield holders for each slab to provide additional help preventing a chemical reaction.

    If slab labels are the source of the offending chemical, any steps taken external to a sealed slab should have little bearing on the OP's situation. It is likely either a slab design defect (not designed to seal off the label, or the coin) or an error in joining the two halves together to get a designed seal. Either way it is probably something the TPGs should address, investigate, and resolve. I have seen similar problems with slabbed American Gold Eagles.

    Interesting theory but seems valid. Please see pics below.
    Only these areas got toned, other portions are all good.


  • Jzyskowski1
    Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So sorry. That sucks. I have bought 70’s but having had one turn never again. I only buy slabs marked 69

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  • o0o
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    How about usmint original capsule, are they good?> @TurtleCat said:

    @o0o said:
    How about usmint original capsule, are they good? airtight?

    No, they aren’t air tight either. They aren’t even as tight as a slab.

    Thanks! looks like i need open all of my unopened unmist packaging box to check.

  • TurtleCat
    TurtleCat Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @o0o said:
    How about usmint original capsule, are they good?> @TurtleCat said:

    @o0o said:
    How about usmint original capsule, are they good? airtight?

    No, they aren’t air tight either. They aren’t even as tight as a slab.

    Thanks! looks like i need open all of my unopened unmist packaging box to check.

    You might lose value doing that. Just consider the options.

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