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Do I have the SUPER rare PCGS holder? Another OGH Franklin

joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 27, 2021 4:13PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Hi guys, just picked this. All because of the beautiful PCGS old school holder. It appears to be the 3.0 Generation one? However, on the obverse our host's name is missing above the grade where normally it should be? What do you guys make of this? Thank You! ;)



Here is the PCGS Museum of holders 3.0 Gen picture

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    MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2021 1:35PM

    The four points makes it look 2.2

    https://www.pcgs.com/holders/Gen2.2

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't think it is a GEN 3.0. You have alignment pins.

    Maybe a GEN 2.1. Label appears to be perforated, and it is missing the "PCGS" at the top of the label.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh thanks guys! So it's even earlier than first thought, huh? Pretty cool. I did notice the "4 pins", but since the label appearance? Yeah, no PCGS above. B)

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2021 2:00PM

    Yeah, reading the description. It does note that "sometimes" the PCGS is on the label.
    Thanks
    I paid $60. Good price?

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pointfivezero said:
    Since it has a perforated label, I'd call it a 2.1. Getting harder to find but not especially rare.

    Tim

    Wow, Tim, that is great information. Is that available for the other PCGS holders and even perhaps NGC?
    Thanks for the info.
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    MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2021 2:02PM

    Go here Jes

    https://www.pcgs.com/holders/Gen2.2

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    JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @Mgarmy.
    Jim


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    bramn8rbramn8r Posts: 983 ✭✭✭✭✭

    is this old?

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,769 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bramn8r said:
    is this old?

    The rattler is the original PCGS holder

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bramn8r said:
    is this old?

    Can't tell for sure from the image.

    Looks to be a GEN 1.0 - 1.2

    Reference

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    pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say these are the rarer holders:

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    but should my rattler give a significant premium to an otherwise unexceptional coin?

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:

    Wow, Tim, that is great information. Is that available for the other PCGS holders and even perhaps NGC?
    Thanks for the info.
    Jim

    NGC does not have a resource for this like PCGS does. However this thread ats was put together by conder101 and has the early generations listed for NGC.
    [https://ngccoin.com/boards/topic/117773-ngc-slab-varieties/]

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:
    but should my rattler give a significant premium to an otherwise unexceptional coin?

    am

    Rattlers are somewhat common so not much premium automatically attached.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @moursund said:
    but should my rattler give a significant premium to an otherwise unexceptional coin?

    am

    Rattlers are somewhat common so not much premium automatically attached.

    Good, because I'd like to be able to admire or trade the coin without being distracted. :smile:

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    MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought the attraction for rattlers was the grading standards were different early on so some give up the rattler at a chance for an upgrade

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ... of course, if you own the rattler, you can automatically assume it is graded 1-2 points lower than modern pcgs slabs. :grin:

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,732 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @moursund said:
    but should my rattler give a significant premium to an otherwise unexceptional coin?

    am

    Rattlers are somewhat common so not much premium automatically attached.

    Good, because I'd like to be able to admire or trade the coin without being distracted. :smile:

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2021 3:46PM

    @blitzdude said:

    @moursund said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @moursund said:
    but should my rattler give a significant premium to an otherwise unexceptional coin?

    am

    Rattlers are somewhat common so not much premium automatically attached.

    Good, because I'd like to be able to admire or trade the coin without being distracted. :smile:

    Some collect the plastic some collect the coin. Rgds!

    I heard that both are HOT right now! The potential upgrade and the old school holders. This is the whole reason I bought this today! Lol

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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Many have already been upgraded and many of those that remain are not going to upgrade.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bramn8r said:
    is this old?

    This slab style was used from 1986 to1989. Check the PCGS Coin Facts web site for a lot of useful information. They have a photo gallery of the various slab styles.

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    I heard that both are HOT right now! The potential upgrade and the old school holders. This is the whole reason I bought this today! Lol

    It is a little dated, but CoinWeek ran an article about desirable holders back in 2018.

    For some reason, I am unable to post the link.

    If you are interested, your GEN 2.1 is #7. Just google: "Buy the Holder, Not the Coin – 10 Certification Slabs to Look For"

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    pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here you go:

    https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/buy-the-holder-not-the-coin-10-slabs-to-look-for/

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's the Conder101 2.0 version; the most common of the "double" holders. It's about as rare as a mosquito.

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2021 4:31PM

    @pointfivezero

    Thanks. :)

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    bramn8rbramn8r Posts: 983 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MetroD it looks to be GEN1.2 Light Green label, no PCGS.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:
    That's the Conder101 2.0 version; the most common of the "double" holders. It's about as rare as a mosquito.

    Those mosquito slabs are wicked rare!

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    ... It's about as rare as a mosquito.

    How 'bout a mosquito in Chicago in January? Now, that's rare! Lol

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,701 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, I wouldn't be that harsh - it's becoming a fairly scarce holder. Agree - what we used to call the 2.0 holder. Especially rare in the Doily version! :+1:

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just an OGH.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of these days, I will have to sit down and pull out my slabs and check for these old holders. Not really an interest of mine, but some I purchased years and years ago, so might have a special one. Not likely, but will check - some cold, snowy winter day. Cheers, RickO

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the old holders, as long as the coin is nice of course but they add a little interest to the history of coin grading.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there anyplace one could find what these holders are valued at other than just searching through all past auction sites for them? As most auctions do not label these holders as to gen, it would be a major undertaking to search through them all. Just curious as to whether their might be a website or even a dealer that specializes in these?
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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's another

    Is this even an earlier gen.?

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:

    Here's another

    Is this even an earlier gen.?

    Alignment pins = GEN 1.0 - GEN 2.2
    No Bar Code = GEN 1.0 - GEN 1.2

    Based on the image, the label does not appear to be white.
    If correct, that would make it a GEN 1.2.

    Link

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MetroD said:
    If correct, that would make it a GEN 1.2.

    Link

    Thanks ;)

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pointfivezero said:
    Since it has a perforated label, I'd call it a 2.1. Getting harder to find but not especially rare.

    Tim

    Thanks ;)

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2021 6:49PM

    Delete

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:
    That's the Conder101 2.0 version; the most common of the "double" holders. It's about as rare as a mosquito.

    Those mosquito slabs are wicked rare!

    Speakin a skeeters here in hot humid Iowa I don't think that I've encountered even one that I can recall. Been awful dry so their breeding grounds are mostly nonexistent.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @moursund said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:
    That's the Conder101 2.0 version; the most common of the "double" holders. It's about as rare as a mosquito.

    Those mosquito slabs are wicked rare!

    Speakin a skeeters here in hot humid Iowa I don't think that I've encountered even one that I can recall. Been awful dry so their breeding grounds are mostly nonexistent.

    Well, the global climate change May dry up all the corn, and send you hurricanes, but maybe the mosquitoes won't be so bad?

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They always said that if you don't like the weather now come back tomorrow and it will change.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:

    Here's another

    Is this even an earlier gen.?

    That’s a rattler.

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