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Updated COVID requirements for Long Beach Will it affect your plans to attend?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,508 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    It's more contagious but not necessarily more virulent. It may also only appear to affect children more. A large percentage of children are represented in New cases, but they are also the largest unvaccinated group.

    Actually, those that get it hard apparently die quicker, so I would say that it is more virulent. Unfortunately need years of study to determine what each variant does.

    I applaud PCGS and Long Beach for protecting attendees. If that was in place for ANA, I would have gone.

    Best, SH

    There is one Scottish study that claimed that. There are other studies that show no difference. It remains unknown.

    https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,508 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    There is one Scottish study that claimed that. There are other studies that show no difference.

    study this......................I would like to see a study which might show the correlation between chronic complaining and resistance to masks, social distancing and vaccination. I am sure it would be very telling.

    everyone seems to agree on one thing, we are anxious to be able to attend Coin Shows and gather publicly. I would be over-joyed to attend a large, regional show and have something like the Baltimore Crabfest circa 2003-04 or the one in Pittsburgh a few years later at the Church Brew Works. those were classics with upwards of 20 forum members gathered together.

    all it takes is a little Humility. forget self-centered, stubborn pride and fear along with mis-guided allegiance. do something for yourself and your fellow citizens. the twist is silly --- if everyone would have made that choice many, many months ago we'd be enjoying the Long Beach Show with no restrictions instead of whining about wearing a mask and getting a test.

    That's a separate argument that had nothing to do with my reference to current delta variant studies. Get vaccinated, wear a mask, whatever. But the science matters and there is no reason not to attempt to be accurate. Otherwise, you are fighting the wrong battle using the wrong weapons.

  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    It's more contagious but not necessarily more virulent. It may also only appear to affect children more. A large percentage of children are represented in New cases, but they are also the largest unvaccinated group.

    Actually, those that get it hard apparently die quicker, so I would say that it is more virulent. Unfortunately need years of study to determine what each variant does.

    I applaud PCGS and Long Beach for protecting attendees. If that was in place for ANA, I would have gone.

    Best, SH

    Doc Raufus- care to weigh in as you have a front row seat.

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    Mike

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  • pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    I'll wear a mask but I'll be damned if they make me wear pants and shoes!

    Wear a mask as pants and you will be double protected.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    I'll wear a mask but I'll be damned if they make me wear pants and shoes!

    Sounds like my home office less the mask.

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2021 8:04AM

    Well said, Keets!
    I appreciate the well thought out and even tempered responses to this thread. I realize with the demographics of this forum that there’s going to be a variety of opinions and beliefs.
    I am thankful so many of you use a thoughtful and responsible approach. That gives me hope.
    That won’t change my lack of desire to attend large group gatherings.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have fun with your coins, people.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    Reading this thread makes me even more confident that we won’t be rid of this virus for a long long time.

    You misspelled "forever".

  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MilesWaits said:
    Well said, Keets!
    I appreciate the well thought out and even tempered responses to this thread. I realize with the demographics of this forum that there’s going to be a variety of opinions and beliefs.
    I am thankful so many of you use a thoughtful and responsible approach. That gives me hope.
    That won’t change my lack of desire to attend large group gatherings.

    This!

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    Reading this thread makes me even more confident that we won’t be rid of this virus for a long long time.

    Zero Covid is wishful thinking. Look at Australia and New Zealand.

  • nagsnags Posts: 821 ✭✭✭✭

    I do find it fascinating the differing view points on this issue from smart, reasonable folks.

    I hope for a well attended show by both the dealers and the public.

  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Makes good sense. I may attend now.

    Dave

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  • drfishdrfish Posts: 948 ✭✭✭✭

    USA C19 deaths per million 1,963
    Australia. 38
    NZ. 5

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I got both strains. Well, I got sick twice in the past two years. Wore mask. Washed hands. Took vitamins. Pestilence has been around longer than every nation and through every tribe. .... from this we cannot hide. Don't think we're going to stop a thing. We shut down coin shows for a year. New year. New rules.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @drfish said:
    USA C19 deaths per million 1,963
    Australia. 38
    NZ. 5

    Math is ready hard for some people.

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,232 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @drfish said:
    USA C19 deaths per million 1,963
    Australia. 38
    NZ. 5

    Math is ready hard for some people.

    But here is my problem with that.. Even with insane lockdowns, Covid is still around. Even if those countries do everything perfectly, and lock the country down, Covid will not disappear from everywhere in the world. So eventually they will have to open things back up. And when they do, covid will then hit. I think it has to be a balanced approach personally. Those that want the protection now thankfully have it (for the most part).

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @drfish said:
    USA C19 deaths per million 1,963
    Australia. 38
    NZ. 5

    Math is ready hard for some people.

    More people arrested in Australia rebelling against lockdowns than getting sick from virus. But this is about the coin show not the bad vibes around them.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The irony of shutting down coin shows for a year is that the coin market got a lot stronger :)

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    The irony of shutting down coin shows for a year is that the coin market got a lot stronger :)

    So did the lumber market, milk market and toilet paper market.

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,232 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    The irony of shutting down coin shows for a year is that the coin market got a lot stronger :)

    Shutting down coin shows for a year also caused gas, housing, and pretty much everything to spike as well, right?

    @edwardjulio said:
    Here is some math per Worldometers:
    Covid 19 deaths:
    China - 4,636
    Colorado - 7,373

    Hopefully no one here is naive enough to believe anything China says

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Floridafacelifter said:
    It’s too far for me but I would attend- I’m fully vaccinated (got my booster yesterday) and I wore a KN95 mask for the entire Summer FUN show- no prob

    nevermind.

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Covid will be endemic. We get back to “normal” with vaccines AND post exposure mitigation. We are ok on A working towards B

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  • KccoinKccoin Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do we see the division yet? Divide and conquer fellas. Older than the coins we collect

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    It wouldn’t be a big deal except for 1 thing:

    The delta variant affects children and it is more contagious, even to the vaccinated.

    Delta is a game changer

    It's more contagious but not necessarily more virulent. It may also only appear to affect children more. A large percentage of children are represented in New cases, but they are also the largest unvaccinated group.

    On the CDC site as of July 21, 2021 show 338 kids under age 17 have died of covid since the beginning. CDC does not break down comorbities under age 17. Divide 338 by 50 states and that's less than 7 kids per state over 17 months, not taking into account for population variances - you can do your own 'state' math. I have. In Hawaii that amounts to 1.42 kids have died in the past 17 months. These numbers do not account for the 'D'. So it will be interesting to watch the numbers rise, if at all. I'm curious to know how the CDC or experts have determined the D to be worse for kids(?)

  • DorkisDorkis Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited August 26, 2021 10:32AM

    I think it is about 90%. Veterinarians can be trusted.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Dorkis said:
    I think it is about 90%. Veterinarians can be trusted.

    Fact .... Or is the AMA lying as well

    CHICAGO — The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated.

    The national AMA survey is the first to specifically collect data on practicing physicians’ COVID-19 vaccination rates. The survey was conducted June 3–8 and showed an increase of more than 20 percent for physicians who have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19 compared to a May 2021 Medscape poll.

    “Practicing physicians across the country are leading by example, with an amazing uptake of the COVID-19 vaccines,” said AMA President Susan R. Bailey, MD. “Physicians and clinicians are uniquely positioned to listen to and validate patient concerns, and one of the most powerful anecdotes a physician can offer is that they themselves have been vaccinated. You can take it from your doctor: the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. With COVID-19 vaccines readily available and approved for all people 12 years old and up, we urge you to get vaccinated—take the single most important step you can to protect yourself, your family, and end the COVID-19 pandemic.”

    For months, the AMA has worked to bolster vaccine confidence, reduce vaccine hesitancy and provide physicians with the information and resources they need to answer patient questions. In October, the AMA launched a webinar series, “What Physicians Need to Know,” to ensure physicians are continuously informed about the federal review process for COVID-19 vaccine candidates. The first two webinars featured fact-based insights from the nation’s highest-ranking subject matter experts working to protect public health from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), including an overview of the FDA’s vaccine review process and an update from the CDC on COVID-19 vaccine development and distribution. More recently, in the eighth episode, the AMA joined with the de Beaumont Foundation for a webinar to help physicians respond to common vaccine misinformation among patients.

  • al410al410 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭✭

    I agree, either part of the cure or part of the problem, I understand for medical reasons wearing a mask is not possible and same with vaccinations, having said that I remember in 1967 in military before going over that we all just lined up and got many vaccinations at once and no mention of "do you want to do this". Many older people remember Polio and many other things that were brought under control by vaccinations. I would not travel without being vaccinated and wearing a mask unless it is a medical issue sounds like a easy way to help slow this down.
    Just my opinion but don't complain about getting things over if you part of the problem.
    Al

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    It is mind boggling to me that some in this country refuse basic hygiene. I guess we now have unwashed masses in parts of our country and those people should be avoided like the plaque they carry.

    96% of doctors are vaccinated. The Hippocratic Oath is a sworn agreement made by physicians when they become doctors. It includes a promise to share knowledge, to help the ill and not cause harm, and to never give a deadly drug or help another to use one.

    Some in this country think that 96% the doctors and nurses in their country are lying to them. They do not trust science or math or charts. Millions upon million of regular people just doing their best in their jobs would have to be lying to us to make this massive conspiracy to work. Really??? Use common sense.

    What does hygiene have to do with vaccinations?? And I guess you are not that up on the happenings around the country, just this week a group of doctors walked off the job because they were tired of treating covid patients. I guess they took their Hippocratic Oath very seriously.

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