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gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very crude. Looks to be cast in a sand mold. Can we see the edge?

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ![]
    (https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/ge/4h9w52kbrk96.jpg "")

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We definitely will not need any professional/expert opinions on this one.... :D Where did you find that one? Cheers, RickO

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :'(

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko I cant recall where I found it. Probably a coin store. I also have a counterfeit Barber half that looks very similar but cant seem to locate it. I used to have the $3 gold counterfeit by the omega counterfeiter but sold to a dealer years ago for $700 as a counterfeit of course.

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    HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The last show I had the opportunity to buy 1 just like that one. Same date

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HalfDimeDude I am curious about how much they were asking. I know some people like collecting the fakes.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At first glance it appears to be a moderately worn coin with salt water damage then when I view the rims (too wide) and other details- yes, it is a counterfeit.
    Neat coin though as it is cooler looking than most counterfeits.
    Is it made of silver?

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    HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I didnt ask he this" old man" had it in a binder full of exonuma . He had more crap at that show than anyone else.... but he is a bit of a PIA ! He wanted to see my need list...I said No! As he couldn't read it anyway in my codes ....Plus I dont like a pushy person or salesman!
    Should I see him again I will check...he did have a few items in the exonuma i liked.
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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick It sounds like silver when you drop it on the countertop.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HalfDimeDude I keep my need list in my head. Good luck trying to get in there LOL

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now I'm thinking it might be real?
    Perhaps I am too optimistic.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick It would be the crappiest real Trade dollar in existence LOL

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @braddick It would be the crappiest real Trade dollar in existence LOL

    Well. . .


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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 23, 2021 9:52AM

    @braddick OK maybe not the crappiest LOL

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 33,963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    what a shame to see. they shoulda hid both of them while they had them

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    mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a helluva die crack through and around the "TES" of STATES on the reverse. Maybe one of the more knowledgeable T$1 experts can chime in on whether they have seen that on other 77-S examples...

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    KeshequaKeshequa Posts: 110 ✭✭✭

    Back in the early 2000s, at the MidAmerica show which NN ran at the Stevens Convention Center, a ‘gentleman’ approached my table and wanted to sell me 200 similar fake TDs for $6 each.

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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,679 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    ![]
    (https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/ge/4h9w52kbrk96.jpg "")

    The edge is the best looking part of the coin.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MWallace Agreed

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "The edge is the best looking part of the coin"
    Which ain't sayin' much!

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @kaz hey that the nicest looking counterfeit edge EVER

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    FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bought this one for $5 a long time ago- can’t see the edge because the holder is glued shut


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    FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok I couldn’t resist the crack out- the edge of mine is pretty nice too

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Floridafacelifter At least your fake looks better

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Floridafacelifter said:
    I bought this one for $5 a long time ago- can’t see the edge because the holder is glued shut


    remind me not to buy any raw trade dollars. Is there a way to tell from those beautiful images that this is a fake?
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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund Compare it to this

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    FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 24, 2021 5:34PM

    Mine looks a little off in hand- but I would recommend you not buy raw unless you’re an expert or you can afford to lose whatever you’re spending. For me, I’ll stick to PCGS and NGC. I learned my lesson one time- I purchased a raw proof Morgan (I’ve had the #1 set in the NGC Registry for the last ten years so I’ve seen more than a couple of proof Morgan’s) and my raw proof came back “Altered Surfaces”- once was enough, and I’ve learned my lesson.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Floridafacelifter I need to upgrade my counterfeit Trade dollar. Wanna sell yours?

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    FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Haha now that I’ve cracked it out I have a new pocket piece.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund can you see the difference in how wide the rim is on the fake compared to the real one? Thats one way to tell. Some Trade dollar fakes are really good thou so stick to certified by top companies if shelling out big money.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @moursund can you see the difference in how wide the rim is on the fake compared to the real one? Thats one way to tell. Some Trade dollar fakes are really good thou so stick to certified by top companies if shelling out big money.

    gotcha... wide and uneven rim...

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund or if it just looks like crap like my fake one

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @moursund can you see the difference in how wide the rim is on the fake compared to the real one? Thats one way to tell. Some Trade dollar fakes are really good thou so stick to certified by top companies if shelling out big money.

    I wrote this a while ago:
    https://cointalk.com/threads/how-do-you-spot-fake-trade-dollars-anyway.63695/

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