Coin grading 'flashcards'?

moursund · August 14, 2021 11:44AM

I want to get better at grading coins...
Is there some online resource that would show detailed photo of coins, and you could click on them to see the PCGS grade, or some such?

I could sort of make my own, by browsing slabbed coins online, and trying not to look at the grade on the slab until I grade it myself. Or start building my own flashcards.

Has somebody already done this for various types and grades?

Thanks,
am

Smudge · August 14, 2021 11:54AM

Photos help, but looking at real coins is much better.

TurtleCat · August 14, 2021 11:59AM

The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

MFeld · August 14, 2021 12:10PM

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

That’s a great grading tool. I taught the advanced grading class twice, many years and many of the the students made significant progress (due, largely to the efforts of my co-instructor coin dealer friends).

But not everyone can make the trip and attend. Going to coin shows, where you can view large quantities of graded coins in-hand (and hopefully have knowledgeable people give you some pointers) is another good option.

There are also a number of excellent on-line sources for images of coins and help with grading. Here is one of them:
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Cents

moursund · August 14, 2021 12:16PM

@MFeld said:

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

That’s a great grading tool. I taught the advanced grading class twice, many years and many of the the students made significant progress (due, largely to the efforts of my co-instructor coin dealer friends).

But not everyone can make the trip and attend. Going to coin shows, where you can view large quantities of graded coins in-hand (and hopefully have knowledgeable people give you some pointers) is another good option.

There are also a number of excellent on-line sources for images of coins and help with grading. Here is one of them:
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Cents

i found the PCGS photograde site by googling... does that have only uncirculated grades?

am

MFeld · August 14, 2021 12:21PM

@moursund said:

@MFeld said:

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

That’s a great grading tool. I taught the advanced grading class twice, many years and many of the the students made significant progress (due, largely to the efforts of my co-instructor coin dealer friends).

But not everyone can make the trip and attend. Going to coin shows, where you can view large quantities of graded coins in-hand (and hopefully have knowledgeable people give you some pointers) is another good option.

There are also a number of excellent on-line sources for images of coins and help with grading. Here is one of them:
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Cents

i found the PCGS photograde site by googling... does that have only uncirculated grades?

am

Come on, do some of the work yourself. There are arrows that let you scroll left or right for lower or higher grades.

moursund · August 14, 2021 1:49PM

@MFeld said:

@moursund said:

@MFeld said:

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

That’s a great grading tool. I taught the advanced grading class twice, many years and many of the the students made significant progress (due, largely to the efforts of my co-instructor coin dealer friends).

But not everyone can make the trip and attend. Going to coin shows, where you can view large quantities of graded coins in-hand (and hopefully have knowledgeable people give you some pointers) is another good option.

There are also a number of excellent on-line sources for images of coins and help with grading. Here is one of them:
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Cents

i found the PCGS photograde site by googling... does that have only uncirculated grades?

am

Come on, do some of the work yourself. There are arrows that let you scroll left or right for lower or higher grades.

Well geez, I thought that was how it was supposed to work... But the left arrow didn't do anything. I thought maybe it only had the MS grades.

Thanks!

Aercus · August 14, 2021 1:52PM

@moursund said:

@MFeld said:

@moursund said:

@MFeld said:

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

That’s a great grading tool. I taught the advanced grading class twice, many years and many of the the students made significant progress (due, largely to the efforts of my co-instructor coin dealer friends).

But not everyone can make the trip and attend. Going to coin shows, where you can view large quantities of graded coins in-hand (and hopefully have knowledgeable people give you some pointers) is another good option.

There are also a number of excellent on-line sources for images of coins and help with grading. Here is one of them:
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Cents

i found the PCGS photograde site by googling... does that have only uncirculated grades?

am

Come on, do some of the work yourself. There are arrows that let you scroll left or right for lower or higher grades.

Well geez, I thought that was how it was supposed to work... But the left arrow didn't do anything. I thought maybe it only had the MS grades.

Thanks!

The arrows don't always work in every browser. Try clicking the dots below directly.

MFeld · August 14, 2021 1:59PM

@moursund said:

@MFeld said:

@moursund said:

@MFeld said:

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

That’s a great grading tool. I taught the advanced grading class twice, many years and many of the the students made significant progress (due, largely to the efforts of my co-instructor coin dealer friends).

But not everyone can make the trip and attend. Going to coin shows, where you can view large quantities of graded coins in-hand (and hopefully have knowledgeable people give you some pointers) is another good option.

There are also a number of excellent on-line sources for images of coins and help with grading. Here is one of them:
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Cents

i found the PCGS photograde site by googling... does that have only uncirculated grades?

am

Come on, do some of the work yourself. There are arrows that let you scroll left or right for lower or higher grades.

Well geez, I thought that was how it was supposed to work... But the left arrow didn't do anything. I thought maybe it only had the MS grades.

Thanks!

Sorry, I was unaware that you’d tried.

moursund · August 14, 2021 2:12PM

@Aercus said:

@moursund said:

@MFeld said:

@moursund said:

@MFeld said:

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

That’s a great grading tool. I taught the advanced grading class twice, many years and many of the the students made significant progress (due, largely to the efforts of my co-instructor coin dealer friends).

But not everyone can make the trip and attend. Going to coin shows, where you can view large quantities of graded coins in-hand (and hopefully have knowledgeable people give you some pointers) is another good option.

There are also a number of excellent on-line sources for images of coins and help with grading. Here is one of them:
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Cents

i found the PCGS photograde site by googling... does that have only uncirculated grades?

am

Come on, do some of the work yourself. There are arrows that let you scroll left or right for lower or higher grades.

Well geez, I thought that was how it was supposed to work... But the left arrow didn't do anything. I thought maybe it only had the MS grades.

Thanks!

The arrows don't always work in every browser. Try clicking the dots below directly.

AHHHHHHH that's the stuff ! Look at all dem circulated photos!

Thanks!
am

ms70 · August 14, 2021 3:17PM

jesbroken · August 14, 2021 5:14PM

PCGS Photograde is probably one of the best online sources for grading. First book I ever owned for grading was James F Ruddy's Photograde.
Jim

Jzyskowski1 · August 14, 2021 7:10PM

Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

moursund · August 14, 2021 7:24PM

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

Thanks, I'm back with a little more money and time on my hands than I had twenty years ago, but I am still impatient...

ricko · August 16, 2021 7:28AM

Impatience is normal. That being said, grading skills are not injectable like a vaccine. It will require patience. However, the learning curve can be shortened by taking a course (as recommended), studying the resources above, and buying books on coin grading. It takes effort, but the reward is skill... and saving money when you buy coins. Cheers, RickO

ColonelJessup · August 16, 2021 7:44AM

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

I taught grading grading at ANA for 6-7 years. We never graded to either TPG's standards.
We treated our NGC holdered coins, as well as some instructors' PCGS coins, as grading questions. Each grading group formed their own consensus. The instructors gave their own opinions when the class reviewed each coin via an expanded projection of each of the coins. The class interacted. Neither any NGC nor PCGS grade, nor any instructor's, was validated as definitive. It was more important to have students consider "grading factors" rather than "grade points".

ColonelJessup · August 16, 2021 8:07AM

@moursund said:

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

Thanks, I'm back with a little more money and time on my hands than I had twenty years ago, but I am still impatient...

It seems you doth insist too much about your "twenty years".
You manifest no knowledge of coins.
You ask questions anyone willing to spend time on the most rudimentary searches to develop answers.
Flash cards? Can't click on an arrow?
Finding a slab that can hold a 2X2? Can't find no love with 2nd grade questions and 4th grade jokes?
Crap on a cracker

Some here might think you're adorable, but a few grown-ups here think you're just trying, without any coin-learning effort, to show how groovy it is to be "chill".

You lost me at "Hello". "Harshing my mellow"? You want to be cool? Check out those groovy kids from "Grease".

TurtleCat · August 16, 2021 8:15AM

@ColonelJessup said:

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

I taught grading grading at ANA for 6-7 years. We never graded to either TPG's standards.
We treated our NGC holdered coins, as well as some instructors' PCGS coins, as grading questions. Each grading group formed their conclusions. The instructors gave their own opinions. The class interacted. Neither any NGC nor PCGS grade, nor any instructor's, was validated as definitive.

Perhaps the instructors I had (both NGC graders) favored the NGC way more overtly. Several others I have heard from who took the class indicated the same. Perhaps it’s not an official policy but something that is heavily influenced by who is leading the class.

ColonelJessup · August 16, 2021 8:25AM

@TurtleCat said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@TurtleCat said:
The best thing is to be a part of the ANA grading class. It is very helpful in jumpstarting you. I took the class in 2003 and it was super helpful. I’m hoping to take another in the next year or two if travel and situation allow.

It will be the NGC standard you will learn. Then you’ll be in good shape. PCGS and NGC standards are very similar but in some series there are small differences.

I taught grading grading at ANA for 6-7 years. We never graded to either TPG's standards.
We treated our NGC holdered coins, as well as some instructors' PCGS coins, as grading questions. Each grading group formed their conclusions. The instructors gave their own opinions. The class interacted. Neither any NGC nor PCGS grade, nor any instructor's, was validated as definitive.

Perhaps the instructors I had (both NGC graders) favored the NGC way more overtly. Several others I have heard from who took the class indicated the same. Perhaps it’s not an official policy but something that is heavily influenced by who is leading the class.

I've taught both Intro and Intermediate Grading at Summer Seminar. For over a decade, the Advanced instructors have been PCGS graders, though their ringleader, Bill Shamhart, has worked for NGC (and now CAC). Known and worked with them all for 35+ years. @MFeld too.

What levels of grading did you take? Thing have changed in 18 years.
I don't doubt your experience, but you made a global statement based on an isolated anecdote.
If you had taken comparable additional courses with "PCGS graders" and could describe the differences in their approaches, I'd value it. You're certainly right that any individual instructor will inject their own experiences in to the topic

I made the correction because the Florence School of Education does neither endorse nor take any particular stance on either PCGS or NGC standards. Note italicized is NOT in quotes. I just worked there.

BryceM · August 16, 2021 9:29AM

@ColonelJessup said:

I taught grading grading at ANA for 6-7 years. We never graded to either TPG's standards.
We treated our NGC holdered coins, as well as some instructors' PCGS coins, as grading questions. Each grading group formed their own consensus. The instructors gave their own opinions when the class reviewed each coin via an expanded projection of each of the coins. The class interacted. Neither any NGC nor PCGS grade, nor any instructor's, was validated as definitive. It was more important to have students consider "grading factors" rather than "grade points".

That paragraph is worth reading twice..... and amazingly understandable, given the author.

TurtleCat · August 16, 2021 9:30AM

@ColonelJessup

I took the week long class in Charlotte in 2003. As for the other people who mentioned it to me I didn’t ask where/when.

I had to look at the certificate to find the title of the class: How To Grade US Coins. At the time I think it was the only kind offered.

moursund · August 16, 2021 10:05AM

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

Thanks, I'm back with a little more money and time on my hands than I had twenty years ago, but I am still impatient...

It seems you doth insist too much about your "twenty years".
You manifest no knowledge of coins.
You ask questions anyone willing to spend time on the most rudimentary searches to develop answers.
Flash cards? Can't click on an arrow?
Finding a slab that can hold a 2X2? Can't find no love with 2nd grade questions and 4th grade jokes?
Crap on a cracker

Some here might think you're adorable, but a few grown-ups here think you're just trying, without any coin-learning effort, to show how groovy it is to be "chill".

You lost me at "Hello". "Harshing my mellow"? You want to be cool? Check out those groovy kids from "Grease".

Are you still on my case? You are known for calling it like you see it, and backing up your opinions with considerable experience and knowledge about coins. Must you continue the personal attacks?

astrorat · August 16, 2021 10:21AM

I want to get better at grading coins...

The best way to get better is to grade a lot of real coins, not just images of coins. One resource for coins to grade are the auction lots at state, regional, or national shows. As a bidder, you can review hundreds, if not thousands, of graded (certified) coins at no cost.

And two important points to remember: First, the grades assigned by the TPGs are opinions, not fact. The opinions are based on gobs of experience and knowledge, but in the end, the grades are opinions and sometimes experienced numismatists can disagree. Second, there are no grading standards, only grading guidelines. And these guidelines change with time.

moursund · August 16, 2021 11:53AM

@astrorat said:

I want to get better at grading coins...

The best way to get better is to grade a lot of real coins, not just images of coins. One resource for coins to grade are the auction lots at state, regional, or national shows. As a bidder, you can review hundreds, if not thousands, of graded (certified) coins at no cost.

And two important points to remember: First, the grades assigned by the TPGs are opinions, not fact. The opinions are based on gobs of experience and knowledge, but in the end, the grades are opinions and sometimes experienced numismatists can disagree. Second, there are no grading standards, only grading guidelines. And these guidelines change with time.

Good idea. I've been to a small show, but not an auction. I suppose the LCS (there are 2 in Corvallis) are another place to get up close look at hundreds of coins, although most are raw.

Thanks,
am

jmlanzaf · August 16, 2021 12:15PM

@moursund said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

Thanks, I'm back with a little more money and time on my hands than I had twenty years ago, but I am still impatient...

It seems you doth insist too much about your "twenty years".
You manifest no knowledge of coins.
You ask questions anyone willing to spend time on the most rudimentary searches to develop answers.
Flash cards? Can't click on an arrow?
Finding a slab that can hold a 2X2? Can't find no love with 2nd grade questions and 4th grade jokes?
Crap on a cracker

Some here might think you're adorable, but a few grown-ups here think you're just trying, without any coin-learning effort, to show how groovy it is to be "chill".

You lost me at "Hello". "Harshing my mellow"? You want to be cool? Check out those groovy kids from "Grease".

Are you still on my case? You are known for calling it like you see it, and backing up your opinions with considerable experience and knowledge about coins. Must you continue the personal attacks?

He can't help himself. He's been on my case for 2 years. Consider it a badge of honor.

Mr_Spud · August 16, 2021 12:29PM

About 20 years ago my wife said she was interested in learning how to grade coins. I went to the bank and got some rolls of cents. I gave them to my wife and had her sort them by date and mint mark. Then I told her to sort each date and mintmark from most worn out to least worn out. Then I showed her the grading criteria from the Redbook for grading cents. Since she already had them sorted from most worn out to least worn out it was almost intuitive for her to understand how to grade them once she saw the Redbook criteria. Once she learned the basics for grading cents, she had no problem applying the concept to other denominations.

I think that’s better than flash cards myself.

moursund · August 16, 2021 1:13PM

@Mr_Spud said:
About 20 years ago my wife said she was interested in learning how to grade coins. I went to the bank and got some rolls of cents. I gave them to my wife and had her sort them by date and mint mark. Then I told her to sort each date and mintmark from most worn out to least worn out. Then I showed her the grading criteria from the Redbook for grading cents. Since she already had them sorted from most worn out to least worn out it was almost intuitive for her to understand how to grade them once she saw the Redbook criteria. Once she learned the basics for grading cents, she had no problem applying the concept to other denominations.

I think that’s better than flash cards myself.

I have inherited ~12 rolls of peace dollars, and I'm pretty confident in the basics of grading circulated silver coins, although not sure how to account for minor damage. I also need more practice dealing with heavy toning or dirt, especially in the MS grades, and what to look for in older silver.

As for copper, I sorted through a roll of circulated indian cents yesterday, and it wasn't fun at all... I can barely see the dang dark things.
Brighter light helps some, but my eyes just aren't good enough.

Do collectors tend to stop collecting copper as they get older?

BryceM · August 16, 2021 1:38PM

See an eye doctor. You should be able to find a solution. You could have cataracts or just presbyopia with insufficient correction.

moursund · August 16, 2021 1:43PM

@BryceM said:
See an eye doctor. You should be able to find a solution. You could have cataracts or just presbyopia with insufficient correction.

Yah, time to get new glasses, I expect. I went to progressive lenses a couple of years ago. Maybe they can give me more power for the up close stuff.

ColonelJessup · August 16, 2021 2:16PM

@moursund said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

Thanks, I'm back with a little more money and time on my hands than I had twenty years ago, but I am still impatient...

It seems you doth insist too much about your "twenty years".
You manifest no knowledge of coins.
You ask questions anyone willing to spend time on the most rudimentary searches to develop answers.
Flash cards? Can't click on an arrow?
Finding a slab that can hold a 2X2? Can't find no love with 2nd grade questions and 4th grade jokes?
Crap on a cracker

Some here might think you're adorable, but a few grown-ups here think you're just trying, without any coin-learning effort, to show how groovy it is to be "chill".

You lost me at "Hello". "Harshing my mellow"? You want to be cool? Check out those groovy kids from "Grease".

Are you still on my case? You are known for calling it like you see it, and backing up your opinions with considerable experience and knowledge about coins. Must you continue the personal attacks?

You're misrepresenting yourself as someone who has 20 years of experience (or at least exposure) to coins, yet you ask questions like you never owned a Redbook. Many others have noted they've yet to see any sign that you've done any work for yourself. You have asked for a great deal of attention with childish questions. This entire thread is a testament to your laziness. My personal experience is that I wouldn't trust you as far as I can throw you.

astrorat · August 16, 2021 2:17PM

@moursund said:

@astrorat said:

I want to get better at grading coins...

The best way to get better is to grade a lot of real coins, not just images of coins. One resource for coins to grade are the auction lots at state, regional, or national shows. As a bidder, you can review hundreds, if not thousands, of graded (certified) coins at no cost.

And two important points to remember: First, the grades assigned by the TPGs are opinions, not fact. The opinions are based on gobs of experience and knowledge, but in the end, the grades are opinions and sometimes experienced numismatists can disagree. Second, there are no grading standards, only grading guidelines. And these guidelines change with time.

Good idea. I've been to a small show, but not an auction. I suppose the LCS (there are 2 in Corvallis) are another place to get up close look at hundreds of coins, although most are raw.

Thanks,
am

At this stage of your learning, unless you have an expert with you, I would avoiding grading raw coins in a local shop.

moursund · August 16, 2021 2:22PM

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

Thanks, I'm back with a little more money and time on my hands than I had twenty years ago, but I am still impatient...

It seems you doth insist too much about your "twenty years".
You manifest no knowledge of coins.
You ask questions anyone willing to spend time on the most rudimentary searches to develop answers.
Flash cards? Can't click on an arrow?
Finding a slab that can hold a 2X2? Can't find no love with 2nd grade questions and 4th grade jokes?
Crap on a cracker

Some here might think you're adorable, but a few grown-ups here think you're just trying, without any coin-learning effort, to show how groovy it is to be "chill".

You lost me at "Hello". "Harshing my mellow"? You want to be cool? Check out those groovy kids from "Grease".

Are you still on my case? You are known for calling it like you see it, and backing up your opinions with considerable experience and knowledge about coins. Must you continue the personal attacks?

You're misrepresenting yourself as someone who has 20 years of experience (or at least exposure) to coins, yet you ask questions like you never owned a Redbook. Many others have noted they've yet to see any sign that you've done any work for yourself. You have asked for a great deal of attention with childish questions. This entire thread is a testament to your laziness. My personal experience is that I wouldn't trust you as far as I can throw you.

Right... I'll ignore you from now on. I suggest you reciprocate.

Jzyskowski1 · August 16, 2021 2:25PM

@moursund said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

Thanks, I'm back with a little more money and time on my hands than I had twenty years ago, but I am still impatient...

It seems you doth insist too much about your "twenty years".
You manifest no knowledge of coins.
You ask questions anyone willing to spend time on the most rudimentary searches to develop answers.
Flash cards? Can't click on an arrow?
Finding a slab that can hold a 2X2? Can't find no love with 2nd grade questions and 4th grade jokes?
Crap on a cracker

Some here might think you're adorable, but a few grown-ups here think you're just trying, without any coin-learning effort, to show how groovy it is to be "chill".

You lost me at "Hello". "Harshing my mellow"? You want to be cool? Check out those groovy kids from "Grease".

Are you still on my case? You are known for calling it like you see it, and backing up your opinions with considerable experience and knowledge about coins. Must you continue the personal attacks?

You're misrepresenting yourself as someone who has 20 years of experience (or at least exposure) to coins, yet you ask questions like you never owned a Redbook. Many others have noted they've yet to see any sign that you've done any work for yourself. You have asked for a great deal of attention with childish questions. This entire thread is a testament to your laziness. My personal experience is that I wouldn't trust you as far as I can throw you.

Right... I'll ignore you from now on. I suggest you reciprocate.

Buddy buddy buddy erase that last sentence sounds like a threat. Please don’t 86 yourself
Besides the colonel is a treasure here. Please please show some respect please

ColonelJessup · August 16, 2021 2:36PM

@moursund said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

Thanks, I'm back with a little more money and time on my hands than I had twenty years ago, but I am still impatient...

It seems you doth insist too much about your "twenty years".
You manifest no knowledge of coins.
You ask questions anyone willing to spend time on the most rudimentary searches to develop answers.
Flash cards? Can't click on an arrow?
Finding a slab that can hold a 2X2? Can't find no love with 2nd grade questions and 4th grade jokes?
Crap on a cracker

Some here might think you're adorable, but a few grown-ups here think you're just trying, without any coin-learning effort, to show how groovy it is to be "chill".

You lost me at "Hello". "Harshing my mellow"? You want to be cool? Check out those groovy kids from "Grease".

Are you still on my case? You are known for calling it like you see it, and backing up your opinions with considerable experience and knowledge about coins. Must you continue the personal attacks?

You're misrepresenting yourself as someone who has 20 years of experience (or at least exposure) to coins, yet you ask questions like you never owned a Redbook. Many others have noted they've yet to see any sign that you've done any work for yourself. You have asked for a great deal of attention with childish questions. This entire thread is a testament to your laziness. My personal experience is that I wouldn't trust you as far as I can throw you.

Right... I'll ignore you from now on. I suggest you reciprocate.

Why, so you can continue to tell palpable untruths? So you can siphon off other peoples' work without lifting a finger? I've done maybe $75M-$100M in non-bullion business over the last forty years. I've been ripped off for less than $150,000. My fellow national dealers consider this to be astoundingly low. While I don't consider it a "spidey sense", my bullsh!t detector has saved me. and quite a few others, tons of money. I can't shut you up. But I am, at this minute, encouraging people to expect very little from you.

moursund · August 16, 2021 2:36PM

@Jzyskowski1 said:

@moursund said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@moursund said:

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Hey buddy I’m just a minute away from you as a newbie but these guys have me buying books. Just 6months ago I was buying before thinking now I’m thinking before buying. Anyway your just fine. Welcome back 🙏

Thanks, I'm back with a little more money and time on my hands than I had twenty years ago, but I am still impatient...

It seems you doth insist too much about your "twenty years".
You manifest no knowledge of coins.
You ask questions anyone willing to spend time on the most rudimentary searches to develop answers.
Flash cards? Can't click on an arrow?
Finding a slab that can hold a 2X2? Can't find no love with 2nd grade questions and 4th grade jokes?
Crap on a cracker

Some here might think you're adorable, but a few grown-ups here think you're just trying, without any coin-learning effort, to show how groovy it is to be "chill".

You lost me at "Hello". "Harshing my mellow"? You want to be cool? Check out those groovy kids from "Grease".

Are you still on my case? You are known for calling it like you see it, and backing up your opinions with considerable experience and knowledge about coins. Must you continue the personal attacks?

You're misrepresenting yourself as someone who has 20 years of experience (or at least exposure) to coins, yet you ask questions like you never owned a Redbook. Many others have noted they've yet to see any sign that you've done any work for yourself. You have asked for a great deal of attention with childish questions. This entire thread is a testament to your laziness. My personal experience is that I wouldn't trust you as far as I can throw you.

Right... I'll ignore you from now on. I suggest you reciprocate.

Buddy buddy buddy erase that last sentence sounds like a threat. Please don’t 86 yourself
Besides the colonel is a treasure here. Please please show some respect please

All due respect for tremendous coin knowledge.
I'm apparently rubbing him the wrong way, and he continues to point out how useless, pretentious, and lazy he finds me to be. He's entitled to his opinions, but I think I'll not want to read more of the same.

Back on topic, I see there is some ANA grading correspondence course offering
https://coinweek.com/education/updated-coin-grading-correspondence-course-offered-ana-school-numismatics/

Anybody know a thing about that?

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TurtleCat · August 16, 2021 2:46PM

I don’t but you might start by watching the ANA intro on YouTube to grading. It’s not a full class but it gives you some good introduction material.

https://youtu.be/CNWelwOmpZs

PCGS has a shorter version they put together.

https://youtu.be/Apn-kYEl-Xw

Jzyskowski1 · August 16, 2021 3:03PM

Not going to drop the threat or at least mention it was out of line. I am not talking about your advice to yourself I’m saying your words are out of line to the colonel 🤓

moursund · August 16, 2021 3:35PM

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Not going to drop the threat or at least mention it was out of line. I am not talking about your advice to yourself I’m saying your words are out of line to the colonel 🤓

PM sent... let's take this offline...

ColonelJessup · August 16, 2021 3:37PM

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Not going to drop the threat or at least mention it was out of line. I am not talking about your advice to yourself I’m saying your words are out of line to the colonel 🤓

I find nothing offensive in what was said. There is little that could be said against me that has no element of truth in it.
But I'm rigorous on facts and have long established my Zen Archery's credibility as mostly absent of sin.

There are some people whose contempt is sweeter to me than others' praise. Let me luxuriate in their ruefulness.
Curmudgeon's' Code - "Live by the sword, die by the sword". Or was that part of a warning I got from the Mods?

Catbert · August 16, 2021 7:45PM

You may find the CoinFacts image database helpful. As others have said, attending a grading seminar is ideal. Also see if you can attend a major auction house’s lot viewing where you can peruse many slabs in hand.

braddick · August 16, 2021 8:10PM

It had to get good when this thread had this many posts and was of such a mundane topic.

coinkat · August 17, 2021 5:06AM

No flashcards... not a phonics, reading or spelling issue.

Grading is subjective and not all coins are created equal at various grades. T here are no short cuts in appreciating what is important

Coin grading 'flashcards'?

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