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Is this toning common, pretty, pesky, or doctored?

moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
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and are those fingerprints along the top? :anguished:

am

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  • DrewUDrewU Posts: 177 ✭✭✭

    I think it would be common and pretty if not for those pesky fingerprints. Doubt if that would sell for a premium over an untoned example, maybe a few bucks over to the right buyer.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The latent prints are most likely permanent damage. Peace Roy

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    The latent prints are most likely permanent damage. Peace Roy

    I hope they aren't mine... :astonished:

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2021 5:54PM

    That's pretty much normal crescent toning on an ASE . This is one that developed pretty much the same type crescent toning in my Dansco
    And if fingerprints then that had to have been the world's biggest thumb :)

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The fingerprints are the pesky part. Maybe Acetone would remove them?

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The question of pretty or pesky is a personal choice as beauty is an individual opinion, my opinion is that its rather ugly and not something that I would buy. I have no doubt that others will see it as fine or even pretty to some, I would not consider it doctored.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    holder influenced and acceptable. Pure Silver is fickle

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes ... I see fingerprints.
    Still a nice one!

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty B)

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Fingerprints are slightly acidic (More on some people, less on others), so they etch the surface of the coin...Unless removed immediately. After that, it is permanent... and ugly on mirror surfaces. I was removing a proof British coin from a plastic holder (much like mint containers) once, and it popped out.... I reflexively caught it, putting a print on the obverse, mirror field. I quickly gave it an acetone dip, followed by alcohol rinse, followed by hot water rinse. All traces of the print were gone. I believe if I had waited even an hour, they would have etched the field. Cheers, RickO

    I wonder if having some famous collector's fingerprints etched into a coin would make it more valuable...

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:
    holder influenced and acceptable. Pure Silver is fickle

    Interesting... I acquired the coin no later than 2002. Since then, it has been in a tube. I vaguely recall it was toned when I got it... so it must have toned that way in ~1 year or so.

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Appears original to me. Very nice.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund...Depending on the storage environment, silver can tarnish quickly.... or not at all. Any source of sulfur in proximity to silver will cause tarnish. Paper, cardboard... boiled egg yolks.... Well, the last one is unlikely :D but possible. Cheers, RickO

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

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    Interesting... I acquired the coin no later than 2002. Since then, it has been in a tube. I vaguely recall it was toned when I got it... so it must have toned that way in ~1 year or so.

    am

    or it has been espoused / contaminated / handled prior to you buying it and then reacted over time

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    @moursund...Depending on the storage environment, silver can tarnish quickly.... or not at all. Any source of sulfur in proximity to silver will cause tarnish. Paper, cardboard... boiled egg yolks.... Well, the last one is unlikely :D but possible. Cheers, RickO

    So when you make a deal with the devil, and he pays you in silver, the sulfur will have produced spectacular toning...?

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My 2 cents is those are the fingerprints of the guy who used his thumb to get it to fit in an album. The "coloring" from the reaction to the contaminants in the album could not reach the parts of the coin that were covered in fingerprint oil.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund.... Yes... You got that right.... Where do you think these 'monster' tarnished coins come from?? Yep...
    Cheers, RickO

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those may not be fingerprints at all. Sometimes silver will tone in a way to mimic prints.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty B)

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    Those may not be fingerprints at all. Sometimes silver will tone in a way to mimic prints.

    Yeah, let's say it's part of the toning... (It's not a bug, it's a feature...)

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

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    Yeah, let's say it's part of the toning... (It's not a bug, it's a feature...)

    ... but I'm pretty sure they are fingerprints. Like the top of an old Dinty Moore Beef Stew can...

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I disagree.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AMRC said:
    My 2 cents is those are the fingerprints of the guy who used his thumb to get it to fit in an album. The "coloring" from the reaction to the contaminants in the album could not reach the parts of the coin that were covered in fingerprint oil.

    Yeah, I have to agree, they go from the fields up and over the rim - you want to say "Who would do that" - but nowadays nothing surprises me anymore.

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    I disagree.

    Hmm... Can you find a photo of other 'look like prints but are really toned silver' examples? I'd love not to have prints on my Eagles... :smile:

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not at the moment. Sorry.

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