Any thoughts on this being a 1921 PEACE DOLLAR Satin or matte Proof-VAM 1-H?

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  • DelawareDoons
    DelawareDoons Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Floridafacelifter said:
    https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-J410Q/1921-peace-silver-dollar-high-relief-satin-proof-64-ngc-oh-cac

    This coin sold as an NGC 64 Satin proof CAC for $69k at the Stacks 2019 ANA auction. Obviously then crossed and quadrupled in asking price!

    Poor fatty holder. I'll never understand the obsession with crossing those awesome old fattys to modern PCGS.

    "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."

  • Treashunt
    Treashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ANACS COMMENT: "Unable to verify as a Satin Proof. Definitely worth getting additional opinions on."

    Honest reply

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited July 15, 2021 2:00PM
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    @Treashunt said:
    ANACS COMMENT: "Unable to verify as a Satin Proof. Definitely worth getting additional opinions on."

    Honest reply

    Yes!! I really respect that ANACS gave me an honest response about the coins designation. :)

  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Buildging91 What’s the background story on how you located and purchased this coin? 🤔

    I’m asking as a 1921 Peace Dollar fan and collecting specialist…

    Thanks in advance for your reply.


    Stuart

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  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited July 15, 2021 1:55PM
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    @Stuart said:
    @Buildging91 What’s the background story on how you located and purchased this coin? 🤔

    I’m asking as a 1921 Peace Dollar fan and collecting specialist…

    Thanks in advance for your reply.

    Hi Stuart-When I started researching this coin I saw some threads you were involved in.
    I'm happy to have you engage with the thread! Getting to your question.

    I unfortunately have not been able to track where I had picked this particular coin up as I have had many 1921 Peace Dollars that I have bought and sold over the last several years and no longer have records of most. :(

  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Buildging91 Thanks for your reply to my inquiry.

    I’d love to see some higher-resolution better-focused professional quality photos of the subject coin.

    I find it useful to annotate provenance, purchase price & date of purchase on a small paper sticker that I unobtrusively attach to the back side of each slab, making it easier to access that information.


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited July 15, 2021 3:11PM
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    @Stuart said:
    @Buildging91 Thanks for your reply to my inquiry.

    I’d love to see some higher-resolution better-focused professional quality photos of the subject coin.

    I find it useful to annotate provenance, purchase price & date of purchase on a small paper sticker that I unobtrusively attach to the back side of each slab, making it easier to access that information.

    I may take the coin to a professional photographer. If I do I will post here.

    Coming across this coin was purely chance-I'm just a novice.
    I knew it was different though, light reflects off it differently. I originally thought someone scratched it up pretty bad. The Rim is very Bold and uniform compared to others I've had.

  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited July 15, 2021 4:26PM
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    Outstanding Detailed strike ! Thanks for sharing.

  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You’re very welcome!! 👍


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • 1northcoin
    1northcoin Posts: 5,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Buildging91 said:

    @Treashunt said:
    ANACS COMMENT: "Unable to verify as a Satin Proof. Definitely worth getting additional opinions on."

    Honest reply

    Yes!! I really respect that ANACS gave me an honest response about the coins designation. :)

    Hedging their bets? What kind of liability, if any, does a TPG expose themselves to if turns out that they had verified a 21 Peace Dollar as a Satin Proof and "the additional opinions" opine otherwise?

  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
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    @1northcoin said:

    @Buildging91 said:

    @Treashunt said:
    ANACS COMMENT: "Unable to verify as a Satin Proof. Definitely worth getting additional opinions on."

    Honest reply

    Yes!! I really respect that ANACS gave me an honest response about the coins designation. :)

    Hedging their bets? What kind of liability, if any, does a TPG expose themselves to if turns out that they had verified a 21 Peace Dollar as a Satin Proof and "the additional opinions" opine otherwise?

    Good questions!

  • oih82w8
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    Quite the looker! Congrats!

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  • Treashunt
    Treashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @1northcoin said:

    @Buildging91 said:

    @Treashunt said:
    ANACS COMMENT: "Unable to verify as a Satin Proof. Definitely worth getting additional opinions on."

    Honest reply

    Yes!! I really respect that ANACS gave me an honest response about the coins designation. :)

    Hedging their bets? What kind of liability, if any, does a TPG expose themselves to if turns out that they had verified a 21 Peace Dollar as a Satin Proof and "the additional opinions" opine otherwise?

    If they opine one way, the additional notes are meaningless, since they can be discarded.
    That is why the label doesn't say 'Satin Proof".

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 19, 2021 2:18PM
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    @Buildging91 I’d still love to see some higher-resolution better-focused professional quality photos of the subject coin.


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
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    @Stuart

    I should have the coin in hand tomorrow.

  • tradedollarnut
    tradedollarnut Posts: 20,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @DelawareDoons said:

    @Floridafacelifter said:
    https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-J410Q/1921-peace-silver-dollar-high-relief-satin-proof-64-ngc-oh-cac

    This coin sold as an NGC 64 Satin proof CAC for $69k at the Stacks 2019 ANA auction. Obviously then crossed and quadrupled in asking price!

    Poor fatty holder. I'll never understand the obsession with crossing those awesome old fattys to modern PCGS.

    Money

    Early Dollar Set
  • DelawareDoons
    DelawareDoons Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @tradedollarnut said:

    @DelawareDoons said:

    @Floridafacelifter said:
    https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-J410Q/1921-peace-silver-dollar-high-relief-satin-proof-64-ngc-oh-cac

    This coin sold as an NGC 64 Satin proof CAC for $69k at the Stacks 2019 ANA auction. Obviously then crossed and quadrupled in asking price!

    Poor fatty holder. I'll never understand the obsession with crossing those awesome old fattys to modern PCGS.

    Money

    Fattys, at least the ones I chase, sell in-line with modern PCGS. :(

    "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."

  • TomB
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    Your offer for sale in this thread might make the thread disappear and you may or may not face additional penalty (timeout? ban?) from the moderators.

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  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
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    @TomB said:
    Your offer for sale in this thread might make the thread disappear and you may or may not face additional penalty (timeout? ban?) from the moderators.

    @TomB-Thank you Tom, I was told it was okay to list it here -I guess I will rephrase it?

  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
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    @TomB said:
    Your offer for sale in this thread might make the thread disappear and you may or may not face additional penalty (timeout? ban?) from the moderators.

    Poof already gone!

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 20, 2021 2:30PM
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    @TomB said:
    Your offer for sale in this thread might make the thread disappear and you may or may not face additional penalty (timeout? ban?) from the moderators.

    And it would be a shame if either or both of those things occurred.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 20, 2021 2:21PM
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    @Buildging91 The most appropriate place for you to list the subject coin for sale & advertise it with photos would be in a new thread on the Buy, Sell & Trade (BS&T) Forum.


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    forum slammer.

    happens to the best of us.

    one thing I'd add about selling on the BST is an unwritten rule on "auction" style competitions on the BST.

    I want to spend your money and get it confirmed. I so want to spend your money. Very exciting find.

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  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 20, 2021 2:54PM
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    Wherever the subject coin ends up, I’d still like to see Professional Quality High Resolution PCGS TrueView or NGC PHOTO PROOF Certification photos of it to get a better look at it.


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
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    @Stuart said:

    You'll have to take that up with whom ever purchases the coin.

  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Buildging91 said:
    You'll have to take that up with whom ever purchases the coin.

    That was the purpose of my post 😉


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
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    @Stuart said:

    @Buildging91 said:
    You'll have to take that up with whom ever purchases the coin.

    That was the purpose of my post 😉

    Some folks want to stay anonymous ;) .

  • ColonelJessup
    ColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 22, 2021 6:06AM
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    Started out with an impressive (if overlit) picture.
    As happy to believe well of a coin as any, I can see (imperfectly) its virtues. Some are impressive.
    But.......
    Would I buy it under the right circumstances? Yes, but not these.

    I now feel the coin is being pimped coyly and yet shamelessly by a heretofore unknown member who disavows ownership or any responsibility for the miserable (and misleading) images.
    As is? No recourse? No return address?
    No truly intelligible images?

    A five-figure price tag?

    We're being trolled.
    Formerly fun, now Run Forrest Run.

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  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited July 22, 2021 6:08AM
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    @ColonelJessup

    Obviously the buyer and fellow posters that made offers didn't see it that way-to each his own- :)

  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Appears to be polished to me.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • crazyhounddog
    crazyhounddog Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 22, 2021 8:12AM
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    Welcome to the forum🤠

    I sure as hell am no expert on this type of coin but with my eyes it’s is without question a hammered strike
    with needle sharp details like no other business strike I’ve ever seen. The surfaces of this piece are also Immaculate. No question it is a special peace dollar. If I was forced to make a call I’d say proof strike.
    Thank you for sharing such a beautiful Peace dollar👍👌

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • kimber45ACP
    kimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭
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    Killer coin!

  • ColonelJessup
    ColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 22, 2021 8:37AM
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    @Buildging91 said:

    @ColonelJessup

    Obviously the buyer and fellow posters that made offers didn't see it that way-to each his own- :)

    To each their own indeed. I'd make an offer based a a good picture. You apparently are not the owner, (though your also state you've had this and other 21's for some years), but a broker of some sort. As of this point, I'm flagging this thread. It's a hype and a hoax. Which shell is the pea under?

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • Buildging91
    Buildging91 Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited July 22, 2021 8:39AM
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    @ColonelJessup

    You give me way to much credit, I'm not sharp. ;)

  • ColonelJessup
    ColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Acting stupid is very sharp. The inconsistencies in your various stories are adding up.

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
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