A very interesting question about Grading.

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MedveD
MedveD Posts: 38 ✭✭
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Few photos and questions.
Two blank planchets identified like "Estonia"
So the question is why Estonia? Why not Austria, or France, or Latvia, or Portugal? How to recognize the Country?
And the final question.
If I will write in description like on the photo, do I get them with countries which are written?

Name: Mihails Božko From: Latvia
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  • Abuelo
    Abuelo Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No clue.

  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Does anyone who collects Estonia really care?

    All glory is fleeting.
  • pruebas
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    The person who submitted them must have proven (?) to NGC that’s where they came from.

    Maybe they were sent with other Estonia errors?

  • MedveD
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    @291fifth said:
    Does anyone who collects Estonia really care?

    Care or not doesn't matter.
    The question about attribution

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  • MedveD
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    @pruebas said:
    The person who submitted them must have proven (?) to NGC that’s where they came from.

    Maybe they were sent with other Estonia errors?

    I don't know. These planchets I saw on auction:

    https://coins.ee/lot/show/28667

    https://coins.ee/lot/show/28668

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  • USSID17
    USSID17 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Why would a plank planchet be a mint error.......it wasn't even struck yet.

    Who's mint?.. Estonia's mint? I didn't even know they had a mint!

    Unless it has something to do with the weight.

  • MedveD
    MedveD Posts: 38 ✭✭
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    "Why would a plank planchet be a mint error" - probably because "by mistake" appears in roll without struck
    "Who's mint?.. Estonia's mint? I didn't even know they had a mint!" - as I understand "Estonia" doesn't mean mint, it means Estonian coin I think
    The usual weight of euro coins is 3.92g for 5 euro cents and 8.5g for 2 euro coins.

    Name: Mihails Božko From: Latvia
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  • USSID17
    USSID17 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm outta here.......DELETE!

  • pruebas
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    @USSID17 said:
    Why would a plank planchet be a mint error.......it wasn't even struck yet.

    Who's mint?.. Estonia's mint? I didn't even know they had a mint!

    Unless it has something to do with the weight.

    Both PCGS and NGC attribute blank planchets as mint errors as a matter of course.

  • MedveD
    MedveD Posts: 38 ✭✭
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    @Sapyx said:
    To USSID and others who are struggling with this Topic: the question is not "are these mint errors", the question is, "How did NGC determine that these are Estonian coin planchets, when they are Euro coin planchets and every single Euro-issuing country uses coins (and therefore planchets) with the exact same specifications? Are NGC relying on the submitter's information that they are from a specific country?

    And that is probably a question best directed at NGC, rather than here on the PCGS boards.

    Exactly! This topic posted also on the NGC forum

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  • Sapyx
    Sapyx Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    To answer this question as best as I can: I don't believe they can rely on any external, objective tests or measurements. Half of the Euro coin issuers usually source their blanks from the same place (the South Korean company, Poongsan Corporation), so all the blanks from those countries at least (Cyprus, France, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Portugal, Slovenia and Spain) will be identical in every practical way, since they are all made at the same time from the same source materials. Coin blanks sourced from other companies ought to be functionally identical too, as Euro specifications need to match precisely (for vending machine validation, etc).

    Assigning a country at all to Euro coin blanks seems problematic. Perhaps the slabbing companies should label all such coin blanks as generic "Eurozone" rather than as being from specific countries.

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  • MedveD
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    @Sapyx said:
    Assigning a country at all to Euro coin blanks seems problematic. Perhaps the slabbing companies should label all such coin blanks as generic "Eurozone" rather than as being from specific countries.

    You are absolutely right! I agree, but better writing nothing. Because some countries exist which are not in the eurozone, but they use euros. Just "Blank planchet from 2 euro" for example.

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  • MrEureka
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