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GTG, Old Copper, Piece of Cake?

Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,201 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Ok, since everyone is having fun with guessing grades of large cents in old holders today, I'm hoping
this will be an easy one, with a narrow range of guesses - but who knows? Crappy iPhone pics,
old holders, anything can happen!




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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin.
    I'm on my phone but it looks remarkably mark free.
    I will guess 63 only because of luster which may or may not be there.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2021 11:11AM

    Are we allowed to know if the scratch that appears to start to the left of star 9 (in the area of the stain), downward through the hair and into the field, almost to the left of star 11, is on the coin, rather than the holder?

    If it’s on the holder, I’ll guess the coin’s graded MS64 BN, even though I grade it 63. If it’s on the coin, I’ll guess it’s graded 63BN.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s on the holder, there are no scratches on the coin itself.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm going with 62.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    It’s on the holder, there are no scratches on the coin itself.

    Thank you. And please put me down for MS64 BN on the label, though I’d grade it 63, due to apparent subdued luster and reverse planchet issues.

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    ColoradoCoinGuyColoradoCoinGuy Posts: 265 ✭✭✭

    Even with what appears to be some struck through areas on the Reverse, the strike is very nice and a very mark free example. Since there is no scratch on the Obverse, I would agree with @MFeld and say MS64 BN.

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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64BN was my first thought.

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    Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    It’s on the holder, there are no scratches on the coin itself.

    Thank you. And please put me down for MS64 BN on the label, though I’d grade it 63, due to apparent subdued luster and reverse planchet issues.

    Keep in mind that the subdued-looking luster could be a result of how it was imaged. Should planchet issues be part of the grade? I am asking bc I really don't know.........

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    SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a nice coin whatever the numeric designation someone else thinks it is. If I like it you know it's decent.

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    It’s on the holder, there are no scratches on the coin itself.

    Thank you. And please put me down for MS64 BN on the label, though I’d grade it 63, due to apparent subdued luster and reverse planchet issues.

    Keep in mind that the subdued-looking luster could be a result of how it was imaged. Should planchet issues be part of the grade? I am asking bc I really don't know.........

    Best, SH

    Agreed about the imaging and luster, which is why I wrote “due to apparent subdued luster..” Generally, unless fairly severe, planchet issues don’t seem to affect the grade much, if at all.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64 Brown with a sticker.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it a lot..........64 brn.

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can you please let us know the grade before the Chinese rocket booster falls on our heads?

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://news.yahoo.com/potentially-not-good-chinese-rocket-131309755.html

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was waiting for @Crypto to guess....

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 10,019 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64.

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64bn? Has that MS70 look very nice

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful! 64BN

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63BN , a like from me.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks everyone.
    Mark Feld nailed it, with his personal opinion of 63.....although most everyone I have shown it to believes it’s under graded, and I’ve turned down stupid money for it. I’ve owned it for around 25 years, and hasn’t been to the sticker factory. I really
    like this large cent, as it qualifies as a “greenie”, and you don’t see many of them:

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    Thanks everyone.
    Mark Feld nailed it, with his personal opinion of 63.....although most everyone I have shown it to believes it’s under graded, and I’ve turned down stupid money for it. I’ve owned it for around 25 years, and hasn’t been to the sticker factory. I really
    like this large cent, as it qualifies as a “greenie”, and you don’t see many of them:

    As much as I appreciate the good word, while, based on the pictures, I personally graded the coin 63, my guess was that it would be in a 64 holder.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,430 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Late to the party....Definitely looks better than 63, to me. Wouldn't be surprised at 64 or even 65. Love chocolate brown Large cents. o:) If you sent it to the bean factory, in it's vintage slab; I don't think it would warrant a "greenie" but rather a "goldie". ;)

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D

    I have a rarity index of my very own I apply to “opportunity cost” when I look at coins that goes:
    How many big shows aka fun or Baltimore would I have to go to to find a coin like X?

    That would be an R7, Coins like that rarely ever hit the floor

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coins like that rarely ever hit the floor
    I would certainly agree, in this day and age.
    Things were a bit different in the 90's....I got this at a show, I believe from Gary Atkins, when he was with MS&G or whatever his old company was at the time. I was working on a set of major varieties of large cents from the transitional years 1835-1843, and this one looked nice and was reasonably priced. Looking at recent price guides, I'm glad I purchased the coins I did, when I did!

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭✭✭

    hey, am I chopped liver?

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @marcmoish said:
    hey, am I chopped liver?

    Sorry, yes you did, but the post came in while I was taking and posting the slab shot, so I missed it. I have NO excuse for missing flatwoods answer...

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    KliaoKliao Posts: 5,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Missed it. I was thinking a 64. Nice coin!

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:

    @marcmoish said:
    hey, am I chopped liver?

    Sorry, yes you did, but the post came in while I was taking and posting the slab shot, so I missed it. I have NO excuse for missing flatwoods answer...

    Figured 😏 , frankly I'd hold on to this one as is, but I'd surely attempt to get it beaned.

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    metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh my! I was going with a 64. Nice!

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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:

    @marcmoish said:
    hey, am I chopped liver?

    Sorry, yes you did, but the post came in while I was taking and posting the slab shot, so I missed it. I have NO excuse for missing flatwoods answer...

    Meh. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well.... Once again, late to the game... I thought 64.....and still think it could get that if cracked and submitted. JMO. Cheers, RickO

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Well.... Once again, late to the game... I thought 64.....and still think it could get that if cracked and submitted. JMO. Cheers, RickO

    Thanks RickO.
    That's part of the quandary, because I love those rattler holders, as do many, but there is a big price jump between 3 and 4, at least in the price guides.
    But I guess a gold sticker would look nice and serve the same purpose at auction? Who knows, this is one of my few Never for Sale coins lol!

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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,336 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Late too the party, my guess would've been 64BN.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @relicsncoins said:
    Late too the party, my guess would've been 64BN.

    Me too.

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