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CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 8, 2021 9:23AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Cold and wet here in the DC. Anyone want to attempt the impossible and grade early copper in an early holder from poor pictures?

11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63BN

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will leave the grading to Mark... ;) And his assessment looks reasonable to me. Cheers, RickO

  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will go along with Mark here and say 63BN.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU50. Obvious wear on the high points.

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yikes, I don't agree with the above AU - look again at the obverse. The coin has obvious weak strike at rim on reverse at 5 o'clock; this is true at other areas of rim. The central devices on obverse (ie bust of Lib) looks great & I will go the middle course at 61.

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  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU53

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    50

  • jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58...I don’t see it as MS

  • PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭

    55

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64BN

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:
    Cold and wet here in the DC. Anyone want to attempt the impossible and grade early copper in an early holder from poor pictures?

    There’s now a 14 point spread between the low and high guesses. Surely, you couldn’t have hoped for more fun than that!

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  • shishshish Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just for fun let's make it a 15 point spread and say MS-65.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2021 7:10AM

    @MFeld said:

    @Crypto said:
    Cold and wet here in the DC. Anyone want to attempt the impossible and grade early copper in an early holder from poor pictures?

    There’s now a 14 point spread between the low and high guesses. Surely, you couldn’t have hoped for more fun than that!

    I am not going to lie and say I didn’t pick a challenging coin on purpose. I will add that no one has nailed it yet even if some of the more seasoned eyes are very close. I’ll drop the grade this afternoon

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a coin I would pass on regardless of the grade. 1852 is a very common date and the strike issues with that coin are considerable. I don't like coins with weak strike issues.

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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 62 BN with rim hit.

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Au55

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hedging my bets here... I'll say 62 as well...

    ...I initially thought 58, but a mushy strike has me thinking MS...

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58.
    My limited experience and examples owned indicates they were really tough on large cents in the rattler holder days.

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  • truebloodtrueblood Posts: 609 ✭✭✭✭

    64 BN and lovely

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Watch it be in a 45 holder! I wouldn't be surprised being it's an old holder.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll guess the holder says 45

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jinx

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I see a bit of wear in hair above the ER in Liberty. AU58 BN

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i haven't seen a 62 guess yet, so i'll go with that.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    i haven't seen a 62 guess yet, so i'll go with that.

    There were only two MS62 guesses before yours.😉

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess low mint state.

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm with Mark on this one as a Brown Unc. But anything 55 to 64 BN seems feasible from that period. Even PCGS wasn't all that consistent on these back then. One day you could get AU and the next time in MS. The fields are not broken and the cheek is rounded and full. I would ignore all the flat striking issues on the hair, stars, leaves, etc.

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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doesn't look UNC to me. I'll guess 40 just because no one's taken it yet. Second guess would be 53 for the same reason... B)

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is always interesting when a professional guesses first and sets the tone for the rest of the guesses especially when they are basically correct, a choice UNC net graded for strike

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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK, I wouldn't quit my day job.......... if I still had one. LOL.

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  • ColoradoCoinGuyColoradoCoinGuy Posts: 234 ✭✭✭

    The surfaces are very clean, few nicks or bag marks, for a MS62 coin. I feel there is slight wear on the high points so I feel it is a nice AU58, and in hand probably has nice luster except for on a few high points. The TPGs will market grade AU58s up to MS62 when they feel the coin is worth more than a 58 and I feel this is what they did here.

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow. Glad I didn't embarrass myself.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My gut was 58, closer look I went 62. Nice coin, love the rattler.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColoradoCoinGuy said:
    The surfaces are very clean, few nicks or bag marks, for a MS62 coin. I feel there is slight wear on the high points so I feel it is a nice AU58, and in hand probably has nice luster except for on a few high points. The TPGs will market grade AU58s up to MS62 when they feel the coin is worth more than a 58 and I feel this is what they did here.

    Or, it could just as easily be a choice unc. example that was downgraded, due to a soft strike and some reverse rim digs.

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  • ColoradoCoinGuyColoradoCoinGuy Posts: 234 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    Or, it could just as easily be a choice unc. example that was downgraded, due to a soft strike and some reverse rim digs.

    That's true. It all depends on where the grader sees the coin in hand. Is it Mint State or is it very slightly circulated? If they feel it is truly Mint State then they can adjust from there taking into account strike, amount of luster, marks, etc. But if they feel it has just a touch of wear on the high spots and is AU58, but if they feel it is really nice and is worth more, they will sometimes call them MS62. Since all we have to go with is the pictures provided by the OP, we each make our initial assessment and go from there. With the coin in hand I could have a much different opinion.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you graded this coin 55 or lower, consider joining EAC. o:) The application of your skill set has much lower effectiveness in the genre of more recently developed evaluation protocols. >:)

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