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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @thisistheshow said:
    I'm hoping to hear about him getting into shape and working hard.

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    Is it too soon for someone to send Mac a copy of The TB12 Method yet? ;)

    Not at all, but I don't think Belichick pushes that program too hard. Lol. We'll see.

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    DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2021 6:50AM

    I think Jones is up for contract renewal and a huge payday bump. We need the cap money is it I suppose.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrBuster said:
    I think Jones is up for contract renewal and a huge payday bump. We need the money is it I suppose.

    I heard some talk about it on the radio, and they were discussing possible return value in the trade. I don't know what you can get for him, but it might be disappointing. Meaning he is a great receiver, but teams might not over pay for him because they know they will have to give him a new deal. I'd like to see him stay with you and play with Pitts.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thisistheshow said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @thisistheshow said:
    I'm hoping to hear about him getting into shape and working hard.

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    Is it too soon for someone to send Mac a copy of The TB12 Method yet? ;)

    Not at all, but I don't think Belichick pushes that program too hard. Lol. We'll see.

    So we’ll just hide the book in his locker and make sure he’s locked out of the TB12 Center next door lol. Brady probably has his quack with him down in Tampa so BB should have nothing to worry about.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 12,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Honestly, I wonder how much value a 32 year old WR who was injured half of last season has? I mean, he has what, MAYBE 2-3 more great seasons left.

    sometimes, WR on the wrong side of 30 can go down hill quickly.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 12,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I found this particularly interesting about Mac Jones. apparently, "both DeVonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle said they prefer Jones over Tua"

    seems like high praise from two guys who played with both.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Atlanta is in a tough spot with Julio’s money on their books,he has a cap hit of 23M this season and if they move him he’ll still account for 40M in dead cap money no matter what. He’s likely staying put but that trio of Julio,Ridley & Pitts should be real fun to watch.

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    DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2021 7:15AM

    If Jones can stay healthy he's prob got 4 left in him. Even if he isn't a catch threat, he must be defended, well, to make it that way.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrBuster said:
    Falcons needed the TE but we're going to lose Julio, which I'm not all too keen on.

    Best player in the draft hands down.

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2021 7:57AM

    What’s up with Roger Goodell dragging his basement chair to the draft? That thing probably smells like 10 years of a$$ lol.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    WR Elijah Moore looks like he’d be a great replacement for Julian Edelman,make it happen Bill. B)

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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2021 4:25PM

    @erikthredd said:
    What’s up with Roger Goodell dragging his basement chair to the draft? That thing probably smells like 10 years of a$$ lol.

    That looks like a Lazy Boy that your Dad throws down in the basement instead of the curb when Mom gets new upstairs furniture

    It looks like it's held together by boogers.

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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    30 million plus watches last nights first round. Not to shabby

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 12,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    that is a crazy number. 30MM. just shows the popularity of NFL.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pats trade up for a fatty from Alabama,DT Christian Barmore.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:

    @erikthredd said:
    What’s up with Roger Goodell dragging his basement chair to the draft? That thing probably smells like 10 years of a$$ lol.

    That looks like a Lazy Boy that your Dad throws down in the basement instead of the curb when Mom gets new upstairs furniture

    It looks like it's held together by boogers.

    m

    Goodell was lucky he did this in 2021 and not 2017, a Pats fan might have left something else down in the cushions besides boogers. >:)

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    Pats trade up for a fatty from Alabama,DT Christian Barmore.

    This man can really play from what I have seen.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    .> @thisistheshow said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Pats trade up for a fatty from Alabama,DT Christian Barmore.

    This man can really play from what I have seen.

    They must really like him after giving away two 4ths to go get him.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    .> @thisistheshow said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Pats trade up for a fatty from Alabama,DT Christian Barmore.

    This man can really play from what I have seen.

    They must really like him after giving away two 4ths to go get him.

    His highlights look great. Huge. Athletic. Motor.

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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    .> @thisistheshow said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Pats trade up for a fatty from Alabama,DT Christian Barmore.

    This man can really play from what I have seen.

    They must really like him after giving away two 4ths to go get him.

    He dominated in the National Championship game. He was everywhere and lived in the OSU backfield

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    After spending some time reading up on the two defensive players NE drafted tonight, Alabama DT Christian Barmore and Oklahoma DE/OLB Ronnie Perkins, I’m really liking those two picks.

    Barmore was ranked as the best overall defensive tackle and someone at ESPN had him listed as the 16th best draft prospect in the entire draft. Not bad for pick 38. The same guy had Perkins ranked as the 54th best overall prospect in the entire draft with NE drafting him at #96,the comp pick they got for losing Brady.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,870 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 1, 2021 6:43AM

    Bills also drafted two pass rushers. After watching what Tampa did to Mahomes Beane admitted that it was their most pressing need. With the Bills playing 6 games against Wilson, Tua and Jones, all young QBS they had to improve the pass rush just to make it out of their division.

    With 3 QBS with all of 12 games experience in the division I like the Bills to win 13 games and repeat as AFC East Champions even more than before the draft.
    I do see New England winning 10 games, 1 over Vegas predictions. With the money BB spent and a new QB they should fair better than last year.

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:
    Bills also drafted two pass rushers. After watching what Tampa did to Mahomes Beane admitted that it was their most pressing need. With the Bills playing 6 games against Wilson, Tua and Jones, all young QBS they had to improve the pass rush just to make it out of their division.

    With 3 QBS with all of 12 games experience in the division I like the Bills to win 13 games and repeat as AFC East Champions even more than before the draft.
    I do see New England winning 10 games, 1 over Vegas predictions. With the money BB spent and a new QB they should fair better than last year.

    I am looking forward to our attempt at reclaiming the division.

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    DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Our Falcons will continue to disappoint. We'll see what happens though, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 1, 2021 10:17AM

    NE just grabbed a bruiser out of the backfield,RB Rhamondre Stevenson out of Oklahoma. He’s listed as 6’ 230+lbs.

    This pick likely means that they won’t be picking up the 5th year option on Sony Michel.

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 34,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just grabbed a bruiser out of the backfield,RB Rhamondre Stevenson out of Oklahoma. He’s listed as 6’ 230+lbs.

    This pick likely means that they won’t be picking up the 5th year option on Sony Michel.

    Unless your a James White type of back unless your elite your value TD severely limited in today’s NFL

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just grabbed a bruiser out of the backfield,RB Rhamondre Stevenson out of Oklahoma. He’s listed as 6’ 230+lbs.

    This pick likely means that they won’t be picking up the 5th year option on Sony Michel.

    Unless your a James White type of back unless your elite your value TD severely limited in today’s NFL

    From what I’ve read about him it sounds like he can catch the ball out of the backfield and that he’s already considered an NFL ready pass-blocker(from ESPN.) I’ve been really hoping to see them grab a WR to possibly replace Edelman in the slot but I’m ok with grabbing a RB for depth. Burkhead is still a FA and Michel & White will likely be too next offseason.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ESPN has Stevenson listed at 231lbs on one page and 246lbs (wiki too) on another.

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    hammer1hammer1 Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rams have no draft picks until late in 2nd round. They have dire needs at every position except WR.

    With their first pick they pick WR 5-foot-9, 165-pound Tutu Atwell. 165 lbs, boy one good hit...

    I wouldn't let Les Snead pick a middle school football team.

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    ringerringer Posts: 342 ✭✭✭

    My Browns killed it. They are gonna be a load next year.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 12,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just grabbed a bruiser out of the backfield,RB Rhamondre Stevenson out of Oklahoma. He’s listed as 6’ 230+lbs.

    This pick likely means that they won’t be picking up the 5th year option on Sony Michel.

    is this going to be Blount force trauma part 2??

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just grabbed a bruiser out of the backfield,RB Rhamondre Stevenson out of Oklahoma. He’s listed as 6’ 230+lbs.

    This pick likely means that they won’t be picking up the 5th year option on Sony Michel.

    is this going to be Blount force trauma part 2??

    I hope so,for comparison Harris is 213 Michel 215. I can just imagine the short yardage situations with Jakob Johnson blocking and Cam or Stevenson running behind him.

    I just checked out the draft profile for the WR taken in the 7th round and he’s considered a deep threat. It sounds like he’s real good providing that he doesn’t change direction and no one touches him lol.
    All kidding aside, the draft went pretty much as expected and I can’t wait for the season to start.

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 34,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just grabbed a bruiser out of the backfield,RB Rhamondre Stevenson out of Oklahoma. He’s listed as 6’ 230+lbs.

    This pick likely means that they won’t be picking up the 5th year option on Sony Michel.

    is this going to be Blount force trauma part 2??

    I hope so,for comparison Harris is 213 Michel 215. I can just imagine the short yardage situations with Jakob Johnson blocking and Cam or Stevenson running behind him.

    I just checked out the draft profile for the WR taken in the 7th round and he’s considered a deep threat. It sounds like he’s real good providing that he doesn’t change direction and no one touches him lol.
    All kidding aside, the draft went pretty much as expected and I can’t wait for the season to start.

    Same here, I’m still suprised that Jones fell into our lap without making any major moves.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Check out the highlights on this kid.
    Marquez Stevenson WR 5’10” 170 out of Houston. Runs a 4.4 and is billed as the fastest man in College Football. He won’t break the Bills starting line up but they lost Andre Roberts as a returner. He was the best the Bills had in a long time. Can’t tell you how many drives the bills started over their 40 yard line. If memory serves me he muffed 1 punt and didn’t lose a fumble all year. The Bills do have Isaiah McKenzie as a top returner too. I will miss Robert’s sure hands though. No holding your breath on punts.

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just grabbed a bruiser out of the backfield,RB Rhamondre Stevenson out of Oklahoma. He’s listed as 6’ 230+lbs.

    This pick likely means that they won’t be picking up the 5th year option on Sony Michel.

    is this going to be Blount force trauma part 2??

    I hope so,for comparison Harris is 213 Michel 215. I can just imagine the short yardage situations with Jakob Johnson blocking and Cam or Stevenson running behind him.

    I just checked out the draft profile for the WR taken in the 7th round and he’s considered a deep threat. It sounds like he’s real good providing that he doesn’t change direction and no one touches him lol.
    All kidding aside, the draft went pretty much as expected and I can’t wait for the season to start.

    Same here, I’m still suprised that Jones fell into our lap without making any major moves.

    It’ll be an interesting AFC East with 2 rookies and Tua. I can almost guarantee NE wins 4 games in the division. BB against 2 almost rookies? They’ll be seeing ghosts too.

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 34,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:

    @perkdog said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just grabbed a bruiser out of the backfield,RB Rhamondre Stevenson out of Oklahoma. He’s listed as 6’ 230+lbs.

    This pick likely means that they won’t be picking up the 5th year option on Sony Michel.

    is this going to be Blount force trauma part 2??

    I hope so,for comparison Harris is 213 Michel 215. I can just imagine the short yardage situations with Jakob Johnson blocking and Cam or Stevenson running behind him.

    I just checked out the draft profile for the WR taken in the 7th round and he’s considered a deep threat. It sounds like he’s real good providing that he doesn’t change direction and no one touches him lol.
    All kidding aside, the draft went pretty much as expected and I can’t wait for the season to start.

    Same here, I’m still suprised that Jones fell into our lap without making any major moves.

    It’ll be an interesting AFC East with 2 rookies and Tua. I can almost guarantee NE wins 4 games in the division. BB against 2 almost rookies? They’ll be seeing ghosts too.

    The Bills will take the division, Miami absolutely wasted their pick with Waddle at 6, they should have taken Sewell or a bigger receiver at least I mean let’s be real here. The Pats absolutely did well but they are a season away from being a competitor for the Bills in my opinion, Csn will be Cam and Jones will need a season under his belt

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This article is pretty interesting, the Panthers snuck in and drafted the Alabama long snapper,Thomas Fletcher,while there was another team on the phone talking to Fletcher about signing with them as an undrafted free agent. Did Bill Belichick just get scooped? :p
    https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/video_matt_rhule_surprises_draft_pick_with_great_news_on_phone_call/s1_127_34797143

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Marquez Stevenson WR 5’10” 170 out of Houston. Runs a 4.4 and is billed as the fastest man in College Football

    no, that would be Anthony Schwartz/WR Auburn who clocked 4.27 seconds and was drafted by the Browns. anyone can be "billed" as the fastest but with that 4.40 that Stevenson ran there are probably 20-30 players faster. the aforementioned Schwartz has true World Class speed that been clocked many times, not just at a pre-draft combine type thing.

    he's the real deal, whether he'll make it in the NFL remains to be seen.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Listening to Beetle & Zo talk about the Pats WR group as a whole and how there was almost a deal between the Cards/Pats sending N’Keal Harry to Arizona but it just never happened.
    How about trading Harry straight-up for former Boston College slot WR Andy Isabella? Both came from the same draft,Harry was pick #32,Andy #62 and neither player has done much over the past two seasons. Isabella might be heading to the trade block after the Cards drafted another slot receiver in the 2nd and he might be good fit here.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sounds like the Saints tried jumping ahead of NE to grade Ma Jones but couldn’t find a trade partner willing to move that far back.
    https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/report_saints_tried_to_trade_above_patriots_to_draft_mac_jones/s1_13132_34809338

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 12,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At this point, I would Gladly trade Harry straight up for a bucket of extra crispy, 2 sides and a Pepsi.

    Really.

    So little value out of a first round pick.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 34,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    At this point, I would Gladly trade Harry straight up for a bucket of extra crispy, 2 sides and a Pepsi.

    Really.

    So little value out of a first round pick.

    Totally agree

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t think BB cares who’s at outside receiver. He going to build a massive OL, two TE’s, pound the ball and run seams with his TE’s. I seriously doubt he will trust who ever is QB to throw 30-35 times a game and risk interceptions. I envision a lot of NE games in the 24-17, 20-17 range.

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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    VikingDudeVikingDude Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭

    I was never a big fan of watching but it has turned into way too much of a show for me. I was listening to radio on Monday and they said there is a huge delay on the TV broadcast with the picks. There were some that were pretty much back to back but on TV they took time to analyze picks.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VikingDude said:
    I was never a big fan of watching but it has turned into way too much of a show for me. I was listening to radio on Monday and they said there is a huge delay on the TV broadcast with the picks. There were some that were pretty much back to back but on TV they took time to analyze picks.

    They also had to pick a fan of each team to spend 10mins sitting in the farts & boogers chair. ;)

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:
    I don’t think BB cares who’s at outside receiver. He going to build a massive OL, two TE’s, pound the ball and run seams with his TE’s. I seriously doubt he will trust who ever is QB to throw 30-35 times a game and risk interceptions. I envision a lot of NE games in the 24-17, 20-17 range.

    Maybe not outside but this Belichick version of the West Coast offense has always been at its best when it’s had that Troy Brown/Deion Branch/Wes Welker/Julian Edelman type of receiver that was basically their failsafe on days when there’s nothing downfield and the run game is stagnant. They might think that James White is that guy but if he’s in the game then opposing defenses know he’s that guy.
    Judging from everything that came out from the team over the past 4-5 days this is Cam’s job to lose and I think that that type of wideout I just mentioned above doesn’t have much value with Cam throwing the ball.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @2dueces said:
    I don’t think BB cares who’s at outside receiver. He going to build a massive OL, two TE’s, pound the ball and run seams with his TE’s. I seriously doubt he will trust who ever is QB to throw 30-35 times a game and risk interceptions. I envision a lot of NE games in the 24-17, 20-17 range.

    Maybe not outside but this Belichick version of the West Coast offense has always been at its best when it’s had that Troy Brown/Deion Branch/Wes Welker/Julian Edelman type of receiver that was basically their failsafe on days when there’s nothing downfield and the run game is stagnant. They might think that James White is that guy but if he’s in the game then opposing defenses know he’s that guy.
    Judging from everything that came out from the team over the past 4-5 days this is Cam’s job to lose and I think that that type of wideout I just mentioned above doesn’t have much value with Cam throwing the ball.

    Agree. He knows what the strengths are gonna be and at least to start it isn’t QB

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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    ringerringer Posts: 342 ✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    At this point, I would Gladly trade Harry straight up for a bucket of extra crispy, 2 sides and a Pepsi.

    Really.

    So little value out of a first round pick.

    Now you now what life as a Browns fans was every year prior to 2018.

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