Please Critique These Two Liberty Seated Dimes

In the very short time that I have been a member of this forum I have come to appreciate the width and depth of numismatic knowledge of so many of its members. I am therefore really looking forward to hearing what you have to say about these two seated dimes.
Thank you,
Eduard
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Both appear to be VF coins. They would look good in an album collection.
To me, They both look like normal circulated coins that haven’t had much more than an acceptable light cleaning, if anything, done to them in their past.
Mr_Spud
Nice dimes, both look to grade in the VF 20-30 range. The 1843-O looks to have been lightly cleaned in the past and is retoning. The 1885-S appears to be a nice, original coin.
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From the pictures I see a VF30 + a VF 35. The VF30 43-O should grade...but a small chance it might get called cleaned.
I'm also in the VF camp, however both look to have received a light cleaning some years back. Both would look great in a 7070 album.
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Very wholesome coins, they would look much better in an album than a slab IMHO.
Sean Reynolds
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It is hard to judge whether a coin has been lightly cleaned and retoned from a photo. It is very difficult to find original seated dimes in this grade. With higher value coins like these there is usually a reason they are not in a slab. Are you thinking about sending them in to be graded? Or do you want to keep them raw?
LIBERTY SEATED DIMES WITH MAJOR VARIETIES CIRCULATION STRIKES (1837-1891) digital album
Nice VF posted in a holder:
“Whoa nice pickup!”
Nice VF posted raw:
“Cleaned!”
Both are pretty nice examples, and each is a solid VF. Seated type in any denomination that looks like these can be difficult to find with no defects or damage.
Why is the rim so much wider on the 1843-O than the 1885-S? Is that just design difference?
Nice looking coins.... Worth slabbing for preservation. Cheers, RickO
I see no album coins here, but coins that should be slabbed to protect and save. I feel they are VF35. Nice coins. Hard to find silver that old that hasn't been cleaned to some extent. Nice coins.
Jim
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Actually, 90% of my USA coin collection is not slabbed. The reason is that I when I started collecting US coins in the early 1980's slabs were not used. I live in Germany and have bought the majority of my collection here, unslabbed, over the years at local coin shows and auctions. However, encapsulating has started to make an appearance in the EU as well, and both PCGS and NGC have now a local presence.
I really want to get my better coins slabbed, and would like to do so when the pandemic abates. However, I need to overcome a reticence and fear that I have that they may get lost in the mail. I may take them personally to either PCGS (Paris), or to NGC (in Muenchen) .
I would say they are album pieces. I have an album full of similar examples.
Dimeman's comment:
"WOW! Tough crowd. The 43-O is a 40 all day and the 85-S is probably a 45. Not, I repeat, NOT cleaned and NOT coins for an album. These are 2 VERY rare Dimes nice and original like these. Should be slabbed!"
They both look awesome - and I hope the 1887, 1888 and 1889 Seated coins (when I find them) look even half as good.
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ALL coins should be in an album AFAIC.
Albums rule and slabs drule.
I like both of the OP's coins
That's normal for the issue.
The coins look 30 and 35 to me, although the 43-O could have an issue in the right obverse field. Without seeing it in hand, I can't tell if there's a "YL" written or scratched into the field, and then some effort was made to remove it, or if it's just a random irregularity in the toning.
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I see the first as a 40-
Second coin 35+/40
I was curious as well about you comment, so I took some more pictures this morning of the obverse.