Anyone else's 2021 Type 1 SAE have a low "1" in the date?
Cajunpoorguy
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Just seems like the 1 is lower than the rest of the date. Kinda bugs me. Maybe in type 2, it'll be lined up. 🤣
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Just checked mine, same lower 1
It looks a little tilted also.
Good 'ol Philadelphia QC at work again. Definitely not a product of the RCM.
I agree, it does appear the the '21' is actually tilted clockwise slightly; bottom of '2' shows slightly tilted lower horizon relative to '20'
any difference between the proof and the bullion business strike?
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Lined up with front tip of the first two. It’s balanced.
It doesn't look "bad" at all to me.
Pete
that's low and tilted.
I also have some that are low and not tilted
looks like we have some die varieties to note to pcgs and to look for
Am I seriously going to have to look through all my 2021-W ASE’s now?
I cracked out 300 and sent to pcgs last week. If this is a “thing” hopefully they will hop-to before they go through grading.
my photos are of the bullion
I have 6 proofs, let me check
I'm not shooting photos of my 6 proofs
they all seem to have proper vertical alignment.
some seem to have a slightly tilted 1 ... possibly maybe.
for the proofs, it will need a photo setup to align the date square and level, then the software to show that the 1 is properly square or not.
once this gets documented as a die variety, someone in the numis-press needs to ask the mint how the heck this happened. Low and rotated ?? !! ??
My proof seems to show the 1 lower than your bullion coin. But definitely the bottom of the one is lower than the other three numerals. Cheers, RickO
I don't know, seems like the "west " edge of the first 2 and the "east" edge of the 1, both ride the arc of the rim simularly, the middle digits seem high (farther above the rim arc)? maybe?
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if the numerals were riding the arc, then the 1 should be leaning to the left and higher than the adjacent 2
If you draw a straight edge from the bottom of the first two to the bottom of the second 2, the 1 appears only minimally below the 202, and minimally tilted.
(2021 ASE proof)
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- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
However, the 202 is actually laid out in a slight arc. So, if you draw an arced line at the bottom of the 202, then the 1 appears to be more significantly below 202, and a bit more tilted. Also, the 202 arc is very slightly tilted relative to the edge.
(2021 ASE proof)
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
The limbo 1, how low can it go.
No to fear if I have one it ain't going to be anything special.
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I only have a single bullion 2021 t1, but it appears to exhibit the 'low 1'; 2 also appears to be slightly lower; appears that '21' has the tilt
would be great to have forum members who have "emergency issue" 2021 t1s check and share what they see
has any forum member [don't recall seeing one yet] seen one that * doesn't * exhibit this?
I should say that mine is a first strike pcgs ms70. So it was in the first 30 days of production. I appreciate the due diligence with everyone checking theirs. I too would like to see if any have some that are aligned or if this is the norm for the date. I wasn't able to look at my W proof before sending off for grading. I guess I will see when it comes back. It looks like the 1 might be slightly larger than the 2 but also that they're slightly rotated. Maybe they used some sort of difference between the 20 and the 21?
Just check and verified by bullion ASE version, same issue lower 1
So both my proof and BU has a lower 1 showing
oh, nice - you checked your proof, @Knell - thought we were just checking bullion, so I'll break out the proof tomorrow to check mine too
unless we see differently, maybe this is just the standard design ... weird 🤔
thse pics are of the bullion. to my eyes one has the low-tilt 1 and the other two appear to have a 1 that's just tad lower
They look the same to me.
@mannie gray
The zeros' look different. The top 2 look oval to me and the bottom one looks round. IMHO
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the bottom 1 is tilted
For the business strikes:
General consensus is that West Point dies were sent to Philly and San Franny to strike the 2021 "emergency issue" bullion ASEs, making all three coins indistinguishable. If each mint produced its own dies, a comparison of the date on the three different bullion strikes may reveal a unique die variety that can be used to identify exact production location in lieu of having only the mint's public release of monster box serial numbers to identify strike location. It would be nice to have a die characteristic to identify mint location for individual coins instead of a box serial number that requires a sealed monster box to be submitted for mint location certification. Once these seal boxes are opened outside of the TPG attribution to the (P) or (S) mints is forever lost.
Anyone have all three bullion coins for a "2021" comparison? The (P) and (S) coins would have to be in holders that certify mint location.
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