Mapping the Madness: A Collector’s Guide to Mexico City Portrait 8 Reales Varieties
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After years of collecting, researching, and uncovering new varieties, I’m excited to share what I hope becomes a living reference for fellow enthusiasts: a complete date-by-date breakdown of all known - and yet-to-be-discovered - Mexico City Portrait 8 Reales varieties. This is 8 Reales Madness in its purest form. Whether you’re hunting your first variety or your fiftieth, this list is here to guide, challenge, and maybe even inspire your next big find.
Ever since I started collecting Mexico City Portrait 8 Reales varieties about a decade ago, I’ve held a consistent belief: with every major design change—be it a new date, assayer, or monarch—there’s a high likelihood that existing dies were reworked by the mint’s die sinkers to reflect the update.
Mexico City produced millions of 8 Reales during this period, and knowing the approximate die lifespan of 20,000–30,000 strikes, it’s safe to estimate that anywhere from 50 dies in the earlier years to over 250 dies in the peak production years were used annually. Considering how labor-intensive die sinking was—and the fact that die steel was a scarce and valuable commodity - it makes sense that working dies would be re-punched or modified rather than discarded when minor changes occurred.
This idea has shaped how I collect. I’ve always kept an open mind that not all varieties are yet known—some just haven’t surfaced. And by following that principle, I’ve been fortunate to uncover a number of new varieties over the years.
This is a working set — still growing, refining, and upgrading — with each addition carefully chosen not just for grade, but for its place in the broader historical and numismatic narrative. If you’ve spotted a variety not listed—or think you’ve uncovered something new - drop a comment or DM me. Let’s document it together. Every new discovery helps complete the story.
Goals of the Set:
● Discover, document and display every date, assayer, and variety Portrait 8 Reales from Mexico City
● Prioritize eye appeal and provenance alongside technical grade.
● Encourage greater collector awareness and appreciation for the complexity of Mexican portrait 8 Reales.
● Eventually create the most complete and high-grade set of its kind.
This set is dedicated to fellow collectors who believe the hunt never ends — and that every coin has something to teach us.
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👑 Carlos III (1772–1788) - Major Varieties
The Portrait 8 Reales series begins with Carlos III, whose reformed coinage introduced the bust design to align with Enlightenment-era aesthetics and the Bourbon push for modernization.
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👑 Carlos III (1772–1788) - Minor Varieties and other oddities.
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👑 Carlos IV (1789–1808) - Major Varieties
Under Carlos IV, Mexico City's minting output soared—marking the peak of colonial silver production. Frequent changes in date punches, assayers, and portrait styles make this era a goldmine for variety hunters. Many overdates and repunched features trace back to this reign’s massive die use.
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👑 Carlos IV (1789–1808) - Minor Varieties and other oddities.
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👑 Ferdinand VII (1808–1821) - Major Varieties
Ferdinand VII’s reign spans one of the most turbulent periods in Mexican history—marked by war, independence, and shifting allegiances. His coinage reflects that chaos, with rushed engraving, recycled dies, and rare transitional types that keep even the most seasoned collectors on their toes.
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👑 Ferdinand VII (1808–1821) - Minor Varieties and other oddities.
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