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Graded jefferson Nickel PCGS 2020 P MS69FS

OLCOLC Posts: 405 ✭✭✭

Got a grade Yesterday on a Nickel. PCGS 2020 P MS69FS. Looks like it could be worth a little bit of money to someone. Looks like it is the only Jefferson Nickel to grade MS69 and have the FS designation since these nickels began in 1938. I look at the price guide at MS67's and MS68's that have a 1 POP and prices are all over the map. How do I go about figuring out what a fair price would be to sell this at if I decide to sell and where should I go to get the most bang for my buck to sell? Thanks

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!
    I know NGC MS68's go for about $120. so I've got to imagine a better grade in a better holder would make this a 1K coin (or am I being overly optimistic?).

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2021 11:44AM

    Nice going! Hopefully, your coin will STAY on top for awhile? This way, you can make your own price tag. Congrats, dude. The Jefferson nickle, is if not my favorite, one of the finest coins I love the most! Be sure to share the beauty with us. ;)

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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a big coin, Congratulations!

    I think ModCrewman spoke very well of your options and that you have something special that many will want.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    congratz.

    i've made 1 post this year and 1 last year about no ms69fs jeffersons being graded. just made one of those posts past couple days so for you to post this now, is amazing.

    even more amazing is that the mint hasn't been able to produce quality coins that survive past their distribution that have made such lofty grades.

    surely they've released some into sets?

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  • Sunshine Rare CoinsSunshine Rare Coins Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Consign it to Heritage or Great Collections.

    Congratulations!!

  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks strange sitting out there 2 grades higher than anything else.

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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Curious if this is from a Mint Set or found in rolls.

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  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2021 3:10AM

    WOW!!!!!! Congrats. I would love to see that coin. That is amazing. That is a $20G coin. If anyone said $1K they don't know what they are talking about ... maybe since I have been out of the game sometime I may be wrong. My old adage was take $10K and divide it with the top pops. 5 coins $2K each. An MS70 is truly special.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Go on, take the money and run. Whoo yeah!

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congratulations on a superb coin. I look forward to the pictures. I am sure high end collectors and registry set people will be preparing offers for your coin. Good luck, Cheers, RickO

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2021 7:52AM

    @dbldie55 said:
    Looks strange sitting out there 2 grades higher than anything else.

    fwiw, there are a few handfulls of 68, pl and non, fs and non all through the 2000s. but i know you mean for the year/mm.

    not to take anything away from that moose of not only a 69 but 69FS sitting there all by its lonesome for the entire series. i bet the folks at pcgs were buzzing!

    ugh, i just went to CF to see if they posted the TV. alas, they have not, YET.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did not see any images, neither here or coinfacts.

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  • OLCOLC Posts: 405 ✭✭✭

    Everyone, Thanks for the comments. Gave a lot of food for thought. I don't think every top pop coin gets images in coin facts. I never requested imaging. I will try and see what kind of image I can post once I get coin. Take Care

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A MS69 example would warrant a complimentary Trueview, especially with a two point jump up from the next grade.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In order this order:
    (1) Mitch @wondercoin
    (2) Great Collections @ianrussell

    No slight meant to GC. Direct sales are always preferred as they cut out risk associated with auctions. GC has a good modern coin following.

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:
    WOW!!!!!! Congrats. I would love to see that coin. That is amazing. That is a $20G coin. If anyone said $1K they don't know what they are talking about ... maybe since I have been out of the game sometime I may be wrong. My old adage was take $10K and divide it with the top pops. 5 coins $2K each. An MS70 is truly special.

    Yes, an MS70 would be special. This is an MS69 we're talking about.

    thefinn
  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's way cool, and Congrats, and remember Top Pops are desirable while they remain top pops..........so strike the iron while it's HOT.......so think of the Serious Jefferson guys and registry guys........they may even seek you out..............and again Congrats

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thefinn said:
    Yes, an MS70 would be special. This is an MS69 we're talking about.

    Sure, it's NOT the "70", but this coin, particularly his coin. Can and most probably BE that proverbial 70? Meaning, no coin may never hit the 70 mark. So he has the only, so to speak, perfect 2020p FS Jefferson nickel. :)

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2021 3:43PM

    there is one up on ebay now

    20p ms69fs for anyone wanting to see the label/grade/coin etc.

    ms69fs first jefferson ever? best pics we got is ebay full slab shots. ugh

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  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:

    Sure, it's NOT the "70", but this coin, particularly his coin. Can and most probably BE that proverbial 70? Meaning, no coin may never hit the 70 mark. So he has the only, so to speak, perfect 2020p FS Jefferson nickel. :) b

    I disagree. It IS NOT a 70. It's a 69. Call it what it is. If it was a perfect 2020p as you say, it would be graded a 70. Not grading on a curve here. Truly an AWESOME coin.

  • TetromibiTetromibi Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pics from the listing...


  • I offered $5,000 to which the seller countered at $29,995.

    Time to sit back and watch the coin lose much of it’s value..

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dbldie55 said:
    Curious if this is from a Mint Set or found in rolls.

    The US Mint made close to 250,000 to 300,000 est. of them with higher coining pressure and careful handling for the mint sets. They all grade that high ever since they have perfected the way coins are made for mint sets, since 2006 I believe. I have posted on this subject many times already.

    Leo

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice score congrats

  • calgolddivercalgolddiver Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    GLWS ! congratulations !!

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was way off on my $1,000. Observation. Yet, 40,000? Come on, man!

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2021 8:20AM

    Crazy money being asked for that Jefferson, but strike while the iron is 🔥.

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's another example of a coin being over-reached. This is not a rare coin high grade-wise or mintage-wise. Unfortunately for the sellers, the buyers...for the last 3 months anyways, have steered clear for the exception of one sold for $1000 and the seller has just one feedback.....likely sold it to his sister.
    Close to 300 have been graded PCGS MS67 for each of 3 of the 4 2004 BS nickels and out of over 1400 ungoing ebay auctions for 2004 nickels, there is only one PCGS MS67 up for sale for $100 with only two selling since Nov. in the $56 to $70 range. What do any of you make of this? I'm certainly not going to try to educate all these sellers their coin is not rare. :D
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=2004&_sacat=41087&_sop=16

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  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2021 10:36PM

    @leothelyon said:

    @dbldie55 said:
    Curious if this is from a Mint Set or found in rolls.

    The US Mint made close to 250,000 to 300,000 est. of them with higher coining pressure and careful handling for the mint sets. They all grade that high ever since they have perfected the way coins are made for mint sets, since 2006 I believe. I have posted on this subject many times already.

    Leo

    The mint set coins, at least in the times before satin, were literally the same coins. My friend who owned the fed Oregon distribution was friends with the guy that did the mint sets. Same coins as in circ rolls. Have they changed it? IDK.

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2021 10:42PM

    It is a $2K coin tops - I have a Pop 1/0 I got on ebay for $700. You can with moderns take $10K and divide the top pop with the number of coins after a few years. This is fresh so there is a risk premium that someone does not make 3 . Now if that was a 1971 newb - yeah he might get that kind of cash.

  • CopperWireCopperWire Posts: 492 ✭✭✭

    You will get the most value by selling to a registry competitor. If you hold it for a year or two it could be worth more.

  • CopperWireCopperWire Posts: 492 ✭✭✭

    @tonedroosies said:
    I offered $5,000 to which the seller countered at $29,995.

    Time to sit back and watch the coin lose much of it’s value..

    5K is a totally fair price. 5 figures is too much

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it looks like a SMS

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,395 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @leothelyon said:

    @dbldie55 said:
    Curious if this is from a Mint Set or found in rolls.

    The US Mint made close to 250,000 to 300,000 est. of them with higher coining pressure and careful handling for the mint sets. They all grade that high ever since they have perfected the way coins are made for mint sets, since 2006 I believe. I have posted on this subject many times already.

    Leo

    The mint set coins, at least in the times before satin, were literally the same coins. My friend who owned the fed Oregon distribution was friends with the guy that did the mint sets. Same coins as in circ rolls. Have they changed it? IDK.

    For as far back as I can remember (1970s) the mint sets have been touted as having been minted on special presses and at slower speeds. I think the production line was similar to circulation strikes in that they were dumped into hoppers, bins, etc.

    With all due respect to your friend's friend, I think "literally the same coins" was an off the cuff characterization. It was always my understanding that better strikes tend to come out of mint sets.

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @leothelyon said:

    @dbldie55 said:
    Curious if this is from a Mint Set or found in rolls.

    The US Mint made close to 250,000 to 300,000 est. of them with higher coining pressure and careful handling for the mint sets. They all grade that high ever since they have perfected the way coins are made for mint sets, since 2006 I believe. I have posted on this subject many times already.

    Leo

    The mint set coins, at least in the times before satin, were literally the same coins. My friend who owned the fed Oregon distribution was friends with the guy that did the mint sets. Same coins as in circ rolls. Have they changed it? IDK.

    For as far back as I can remember (1970s) the mint sets have been touted as having been minted on special presses and at slower speeds. I think the production line was similar to circulation strikes in that they were dumped into hoppers, bins, etc.

    With all due respect to your friend's friend, I think "literally the same coins" was an off the cuff characterization. It was always my understanding that better strikes tend to come out of mint sets.

    They were never rolled; the coins for mint sets; they came off the ballistic bags straight to mint sets. The mint rolls are literally the same as an OBW bank rolls. I purchased a couple of ballistic bags and made some top pops. I also now own $2500 face of the last memorial Lincolns. I bought an entire ballistic bag, got them slow rolled ( yes you can do it if you own the joint) and you get some coin for it, So I am certain I have the top pops in my rolls.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2021 7:36AM

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @JBK said:

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @leothelyon said:

    @dbldie55 said:
    Curious if this is from a Mint Set or found in rolls.

    The US Mint made close to 250,000 to 300,000 est. of them with higher coining pressure and careful handling for the mint sets. They all grade that high ever since they have perfected the way coins are made for mint sets, since 2006 I believe. I have posted on this subject many times already.

    Leo

    The mint set coins, at least in the times before satin, were literally the same coins. My friend who owned the fed Oregon distribution was friends with the guy that did the mint sets. Same coins as in circ rolls. Have they changed it? IDK.

    For as far back as I can remember (1970s) the mint sets have been touted as having been minted on special presses and at slower speeds. I think the production line was similar to circulation strikes in that they were dumped into hoppers, bins, etc.

    With all due respect to your friend's friend, I think "literally the same coins" was an off the cuff characterization. It was always my understanding that better strikes tend to come out of mint sets.

    They were never rolled; the coins for mint sets; they came off the ballistic bags straight to mint sets. The mint rolls are literally the same as an OBW bank rolls.

    Not sure I understand the reply.

    Your friend of a friend said mint set coins are the same as circulation strikes, but it has always been my understanding that they are not. They are minted at a slower speed and on special presses. Going from ballistic bag to packaging makes sense.

    As for "mint rolls", the mint does not roll coins. For the rolls they sell (dollars, halfs, quarters currently) they ship them out to a coin processor which puts them into the fancy paper wrappers for the mint. In that regard, yes, mint rolls are "the same" as bank shotgun rolls.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @leothelyon said:

    @dbldie55 said:
    Curious if this is from a Mint Set or found in rolls.

    The US Mint made close to 250,000 to 300,000 est. of them with higher coining pressure and careful handling for the mint sets. They all grade that high ever since they have perfected the way coins are made for mint sets, since 2006 I believe. I have posted on this subject many times already.

    Leo

    The mint set coins, at least in the times before satin, were literally the same coins. My friend who owned the fed Oregon distribution was friends with the guy that did the mint sets. Same coins as in circ rolls. Have they changed it? IDK.

    They have.....ithe definitions are in the US Mint's glossary.

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    it looks like a SMS

    Exactly! And PCGS doesn't provide a category for them, 2011 to date. Mint set coins are specially made with higher coining pressure and careful handling. I wouldn't be surprised they use a purer quality of stock to make the planchets.

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @leothelyon said:

    @dbldie55 said:
    Curious if this is from a Mint Set or found in rolls.

    The US Mint made close to 250,000 to 300,000 est. of them with higher coining pressure and careful handling for the mint sets. They all grade that high ever since they have perfected the way coins are made for mint sets, since 2006 I believe. I have posted on this subject many times already.

    Leo

    The mint set coins, at least in the times before satin, were literally the same coins. My friend who owned the fed Oregon distribution was friends with the guy that did the mint sets. Same coins as in circ rolls. Have they changed it? IDK.

    For as far back as I can remember (1970s) the mint sets have been touted as having been minted on special presses and at slower speeds. I think the production line was similar to circulation strikes in that they were dumped into hoppers, bins, etc.

    With all due respect to your friend's friend, I think "literally the same coins" was an off the cuff characterization. It was always my understanding that better strikes tend to come out of mint sets.

    I don't recall ever seeing a poorly struck coin from a mint set.
    The interesting thing about the 2020 mint sets, why did they wait til the end of the year to release the mint sets? Those coins were made first before striking coins for commerce/circulation. Was there a reason....... perhaps to force someone's hands? A wakeup call?

    Befuddled, Leo lol

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How many of that grade will be around in 6 months?

    It does remind me of seeing some 1994-P or 1997-P that have nice MS grades when they are actually from the Jefferson or Botanic sets.

  • yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2021 5:55PM

    I wouldn't give it a second thought at $1000... no brainer.

    ModCrewman gave you excellent advice. Safe and secure contacts.

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  • SenateSaloonSenateSaloon Posts: 114 ✭✭✭

    This coin doesn’t seem to show up as an MS69 anymore on the PCGS pop report. Anyone know why? Or am I missing something?

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The cert is no longer valid, possibly recalled for another look?

  • SenateSaloonSenateSaloon Posts: 114 ✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    The cert is no longer valid, possibly recalled for another look?

    Does that happen sometimes? If so, why might it happen?

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