1% off center?

Kurisu · January 9, 2021 1:34PM

1% off center just as the rim disappears?
I don't feel like measuring it, or finding the calipers lol!
Fun to see it fall out on this snowy day in Denver!

ctf_error_coins · January 9, 2021 1:45PM

Not an off center as no design is missing.

Maybe a slight Misaligned die, but no extra value.

Kurisu · January 9, 2021 1:47PM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
Not an off center as no design is missing.

Maybe a slight Misaligned die, but no extra value.

I was posting this just for some fun on this snowy lockdown day...
and I just accidentally learned something lol! Thanks!
I did not know that you start figuring out the percentage only once design elements disappear, cool.
No value...that one I knew :-)

Oldhoopster · January 9, 2021 2:06PM

A misaligned die (MAD) is not the same as an off center error. An off center occurs when a planchet is not seated in the striking chamber. Each off center us a unique event. A MAD is caused when the die is installed incorrectly and is not aligned with the anvil die. Numerous coins can be struck with MAD until its noticed and fixed.

If the reverse of your coin is centered (which it probably is), your coin is a MAD and has no extra value

Kurisu · January 9, 2021 2:12PM

@Oldhoopster said:
A misaligned die (MAD) is not the same as an off center error. An off center occurs when a planchet is not seated in the striking chamber. Each off center us a unique event. A MAD is caused when the die is installed incorrectly and is not aligned with the anvil die. Numerous coins can be struck with MAD until its noticed and fixed.

If the reverse of your coin is centered (which it probably is), your coin is a MAD and has no extra value

If I find it I'll let you know...I tossed it back in for someone else to find
I'm pretty sure the reverse was off too.
I'll take a look when I'm re-rolling them...

ricko · January 9, 2021 3:22PM

I agree with misaligned die....and not uncommon on Roosevelt dimes.... There seem to be a lot of them. Cheers, RickO

Kurisu · January 9, 2021 3:35PM

@ricko said:
I agree with misaligned die....and not uncommon on Roosevelt dimes.... There seem to be a lot of them. Cheers, RickO

Question... when a die is misaligned does it create an angle on that die's strike?
Or does the die have the ability to shift a bit in all directions but still stay in parallel alignment with the planchet?

WQuarterFreddie · January 9, 2021 3:46PM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:
Not an off center as no design is missing.

Maybe a slight Misaligned die, but no extra value.

Thanks for the clarification! Occasionally I find a W slightly off center and I wondered if it would be considered an error🤔

TurtleCat · January 9, 2021 3:52PM

On a misaligned die, typically only one side is offset just a bit. I think it would just be the hammer die that would be misaligned? Not sure on that one.

I find them interesting to see but I always spend them.

BigDowgie · January 9, 2021 4:02PM

Curious, will the TPGs place these in regular labeled holders if slightly misaligned or off-center?

TurtleCat · January 9, 2021 4:26PM

@BigDowgie said:
Curious, will the TPGs place these in regular labeled holders if slightly misaligned or off-center?

Sure, they just won't designate it in any way. Better that way as it isn't worth any premium.

WQuarterFreddie · January 9, 2021 4:45PM

@TurtleCat said:

@BigDowgie said:
Curious, will the TPGs place these in regular labeled holders if slightly misaligned or off-center?

Sure, they just won't designate it in any way. Better that way as it isn't worth any premium.

Do you know if this would be considered a negative to the grade and cause it to be graded lower?

TurtleCat · January 9, 2021 4:48PM

@WQuarterFreddie said:

@TurtleCat said:

@BigDowgie said:
Curious, will the TPGs place these in regular labeled holders if slightly misaligned or off-center?

Sure, they just won't designate it in any way. Better that way as it isn't worth any premium.

Do you know if this would be considered a negative to the grade and cause it to be graded lower?

So far as I know, no.

BigDowgie · January 9, 2021 5:23PM

The reason I ask is that I have a 1983-P Jefferson with killer full steps that has a slightly misaligned obverse. I would love to have it grade as a regular business issue.

Kurisu · January 9, 2021 10:07PM

@Kurisu said:

@Oldhoopster said:
A misaligned die (MAD) is not the same as an off center error. An off center occurs when a planchet is not seated in the striking chamber. Each off center us a unique event. A MAD is caused when the die is installed incorrectly and is not aligned with the anvil die. Numerous coins can be struck with MAD until its noticed and fixed.

If the reverse of your coin is centered (which it probably is), your coin is a MAD and has no extra value

If I find it I'll let you know...I tossed it back in for someone else to find
I'm pretty sure the reverse was off too.
I'll take a look when I'm re-rolling them...

Reverse is not off center, thanks for the info!

johnny9434 · January 10, 2021 2:28AM

I don't see anything to get excited about. You'll find one yet 🙂

Sweetpie · January 10, 2021 8:22AM

Which begs the question:
At what percentage would a TRUE off center error coin would get any error coin collector excited?

1%
2%
5% or more ?

ctf_error_coins · January 10, 2021 8:23AM

@Sweetpie said:
Which begs the question:
At what percentage would a TRUE off center error coin would get any error coin collector excited?

1%
2%
5% or more ?

Off Centers start at 5%

Some of the design has to be missing

PerryHall · January 10, 2021 9:25AM

What doe the reverse look like? If there is a 1% offset in the same direction as the obverse, it could be considered 1% off center. However, there is still no additional value for such a small degree of off centering.

ctf_error_coins · January 10, 2021 9:27AM

@PerryHall said:
What doe the reverse look like? If there is a 1% from center in the same direction, it could be consider 1% off center.

Incorrect. No design missing so It can not be an off center.

PerryHall · January 10, 2021 9:49AM

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@PerryHall said:
What doe the reverse look like? If there is a 1% from center in the same direction, it could be consider 1% off center.

Incorrect. No design missing so It can not be an off center.

Can you show us a source for this definition or is it just your opinion?

ctf_error_coins · January 10, 2021 9:51AM

Fred

Kurisu · January 10, 2021 9:55AM

I posted above...Only the Obverse turned out to be off.
Misaligned die seems to be the consensus.

Jimnight · January 10, 2021 3:58PM

Misaligned die.

WQuarterFreddie · January 10, 2021 5:24PM

@PerryHall said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@PerryHall said:
What doe the reverse look like? If there is a 1% from center in the same direction, it could be consider 1% off center.

Incorrect. No design missing so It can not be an off center.

Can you show us a source for this definition or is it just your opinion?

Um, I believe this guy is a dealer for error coins so his opinion in my opinion is a SOURCE😂🤣

neildrobertson · January 10, 2021 11:42PM

@PerryHall said:

@ErrorsOnCoins said:

@PerryHall said:
What doe the reverse look like? If there is a 1% from center in the same direction, it could be consider 1% off center.

Incorrect. No design missing so It can not be an off center.

Can you show us a source for this definition or is it just your opinion?

Geometricalky speaking, it's off-center and you can measure how much. He's more commenting on whether it meets the criteria to be that specific type of error coin.

1% off center?

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