DMPL roll find?
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Happy early holidays all! I pulled this one out of an old dollar roll recently and wanted to get some quick opinions. I know its just an 1881s and they are very available with PL characteristics. But this would be the first i pulled from a roll so kinda cool.
My photographic skills are clearly lacking...but ive tried to catch it as best I can. The reflectivity really makes it tough to get a good shot. I am pretty convinced its a DMPL, but I wonder how badly the bag marks in the obverse fields will knock its grade. Let me know what you all think. Again, Merry Christmas!!!
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I also took a couple pics of it next to a 64PL CAC I have for reference.
Hold it up to a type written page. How far away can you get from the page with the letters staying clear?
8 to 10 inches at least. Thats very tough to get a pic of too of course. I can sure try
It is shiny. These are not my area but I would probably acetone rinse the obverse to help with the fingerprints before they tone differently.
interesting. I'll let the morgan fans comment.
where'd you get the roll?
I actually grabbed the roll on Ebay of all places. The typical advertised "PL ender/ender" that are usually just fancy photography. But the auction stayed under $500 and it was clearly an older roll and not a reroll, so I took a stab. Might have actually gotten lucky. The other end was also an 1881 of course, but PL at best. This one is FAR more reflective.
My best (but not confident) guess is MS64+ PL.
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Isn't the texture on the face a bit unusual?
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it is possible and from those images it is difficult to be 100% but if it isn't tampered with, feld is probably right on the money.
i'd lean towards a non-polished tampered with coin from those pics.
I'm sure there are posts out here about it so ill do some digging, but what is the best light to take photos in? Thats clearly a downfall of mine! Thank you all for the feedback. I really appreciate it.
Really hard to tell in photos. Looks more like PL but maybe DMPL.
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It does look unusual. I can’t tell if it’s due to multiple small flaws or something else. If it’s not as struck, I’d need to lower the number for my grade guess.😬
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Seems like I can get it out to about 12" before text starts to blur on the obverse.....probably 5 or 6 inches or so on the reverse. Do these pics help with the cheek texture? I'm thinking half the problem is my amateur cam skills. Apparently camming should not be a side job. Hahahaha
You’re in a better position to know than viewers of your photos - is the rougher looking texture of the cheek and neck (seen in some of the images) due to multiple small contact marks?
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It kind of reminds me of a rusted die, but maybe it's just the pic.
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It certainly has PL characteristics. It's the kind of coin that belongs (only) in a 5 coin economy submission. Now find 4 more.
Sorry, I do not collect Morgans, but that coin does not look right. IMHO, it's been messed with. The profile is too rough and the contact marks in the fields tells me its been around the block. Send to our host and correct and educate me.
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that cheek texture is pretty uniformly rough.
Why should he spend the money to (possibly) correct and educate you?😉
Wouldn’t he be better off if he can show it to someone and get a free informed, sight-seen opinion?
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Hard to say. There is definitely a texture there, but I dont know that I would define it as contact marks. It almost seems like the same texture of an orange peel?
Have a similar shot of the reverse?
Some coins (such as certain classic Proof gold pieces) exhibit was is literally referred to as “orange peel” texture. I’m not used to seeing it on Morgan’s, though. Hopefully, that’s what we’re seeing.
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I kind of think it is. 81-S has some coins that are PL in LDS, because the dies were repolished to PL fields. The best diagnostic for this I've found is if the little M on Liberty's bust is a little mushy, it's an older die. There are some 81-S dies that were used for multiples of the average life expectancy of a die. The vertical scratch on the cheek doesn't look like it's been painted or frosted over, and I imagine that if someone were futzing with the surfaces, they'd try to fix that.
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To really capture the Cameo take a pic directly under a bright light while holding a black sheet of paper/magazine directly over the top about a 12 to 18 inches above.
64PL IMO
Sub-$500 for a roll of Morgans, are they all unc? Full 20 coin roll? If so that was a good price.
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Here's a couple.
Here's also an amateur attempt at showing the cameo as suggested.
Turn your phone flashlight on and shine it all over both sides of that coin and see if it looks markedly different.
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Not much of a change no. The bag marks in the field in front of the bust become more evident of course....here are some pics with flash....in the dark.
I think we can all agree that strike is crazy good, right?
I'd call it MS64PL, too (as others have stated), as the chatter is a bit much in the fields. GEM cheek, though.
For what its worth....M seems pretty crisp.
Also wanted to thank you all again. The little bit of pic guidance helped immensely. I appreciate ya.
Nice Morgan... that 'orange peel' effect is very uniform.... I think it is part of the original strike... Agree with the MS64 assessment. Cheers, RickO