“Extra leaf” error?

Jgrabocoin · December 12, 2020 11:55PM

Curious to see what this will get dismissed as. Looks like and “extra leaf” raised area at the under the wing and between the leaves on the reverse of this 1980 D Washington quarter

CaptHenway · December 13, 2020 12:13AM

Clash mark

Bochiman · December 13, 2020 12:15AM

I'm thinking clash as well...first thing that came to mind from the first 2 pics

Jgrabocoin · December 13, 2020 12:16AM

@CaptHenway said:
Clash mark

Can you give me more of an explanation of your assessment? I’m still learning. Thank you

jesbroken · December 13, 2020 12:17AM

Shame your attitude isn't a little more appreciative of people trying to help you. But anyway, probably just a characteristic you're stuck with. It does appear as an additional anomaly on your sample 1980 Washington Quarter Reverse. Here's a comparison photo of a 1980 Washington from CoinFacts with your photo of the 1980 coin of yours and a definite difference is visible. Now as to whether it might be an "extra" leaf or another anomaly, I don't know, but many here will know, but you must give them a chance and your previous outing was quite memorable in a bad way. So, when someone disagrees with you, just realize it is only an opinion, but when everyone tells you the same thing maybe you might lighten up and take it in the vein it was offered. Good luck and I hope this is a help to you. BTW you do take very good photographs, just not so many of the same issue, please.
Jim

MsMorrisine · December 13, 2020 12:26AM

someone with the right software can invert the reverse, give it some transparency, and layer it over the obverse. that will show the clash.

I'm without such software.

MsMorrisine · December 13, 2020 12:35AM

a small picture, but I forgot about mad die clashes site

Jgrabocoin · December 13, 2020 12:39AM

@MsMorrisine said:
someone with the right software can invert the reverse, give it some transparency, and layer it over the obverse. that will show the clash.

I'm without such software.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Can you explain, please?

jesbroken · December 13, 2020 1:05AM

By overlaying the reverse pic with a 180 degree out and horizontally flipped image of the obverse you can see what is happening in the area in question if a clash should occur. Very informative and you can see that part of the nose could have clashed to form the anomaly. Here's a larger example which might better allow you to see. Hope it helps.
Jim

JBK · December 13, 2020 2:35AM

A die clash is when the dies come together without a blank planchet in between them and some of the designs from each die can get struck into the other die.

ricko · December 13, 2020 5:18AM

It does look as if it is the remnants of a die clash.... some surface anomalies among the leaves on the right side as well.... Cheers, RickO

Oldhoopster · December 13, 2020 6:52AM

@Jgrabocoin

It's a die clash as others have said. The overlay from Maddieclashes.com that @MsMorrisine posted shows it quite well. You can also see die polish marks where the mint tried to remove the clash.

The reason the coins in your previous posts were "dismissed", is that they weren't errors. There are a limited number of ways the mint can make an error, but numerous ways for a coin to be damaged in circulation. Members that took the time to answer your questions aren't just some guy sitting next to you in a bar, they know and understand the minting process. They also can supply links to information that can be be very useful.

http://www.error-ref.com/die_clash/

Hopefully, the "dismissive" members haven't put you ignore.

Jgrabocoin · December 13, 2020 9:22AM

@ricko said:
It does look as if it is the remnants of a die clash.... some surface anomalies among the leaves on the right side as well.... Cheers, RickO

Sooooo, would the consensus be to keep in a collection for later value, try sell for a few dollars or buy a gum ball?

coinbuf · December 13, 2020 9:31AM

While die clashes are cool they have very limited extra value, only if the clash is very obvious which yours is not. It could be worth a couple of bucks to a handful of buyers, if you have the time to find those buyers then go for it, I'd buy a gum ball with it.

Edited to add:
Here is an example of a die clash that would be valued and collected, notice how visible the clash is on the obverse.
[https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1048084/cool-common-date-mercury-dime-take-a-look]

Batman23 · December 13, 2020 9:34AM

Interesting is all. I both do and don't like to see clash marks on my coins. I do not see any added value in it. If I found it roll searching, for 25 cents I would label it and put it into the hoard. I would not buy such a coin for a dollar, or even 50 cents, if I saw it at a coin store. But that is just my opinion.

JBK · December 13, 2020 4:01PM

@Jgrabocoin said:

@ricko said:
It does look as if it is the remnants of a die clash.... some surface anomalies among the leaves on the right side as well.... Cheers, RickO

Sooooo, would the consensus be to keep in a collection for later value, try sell for a few dollars or buy a gum ball?

I would keep it not for value but as a reference piece.

ricko · December 13, 2020 5:34PM

It is an interesting anomaly, but no numismatic premium because it is so minor. Cheers, RickO

Jimnight · December 13, 2020 5:40PM

Yes ... I like it as a reference piece.

jmlanzaf · December 13, 2020 5:53PM

@Jgrabocoin said:

@ricko said:
It does look as if it is the remnants of a die clash.... some surface anomalies among the leaves on the right side as well.... Cheers, RickO

Sooooo, would the consensus be to keep in a collection for later value, try sell for a few dollars or buy a gum ball?

If you are looking to make money, this is not the way to do it. People who search coin rolls do it for the pleasure of it. People who look for varieties and errors do it because they love varieties and errors. If you value your time at all, it takes far more time to find anything decent than it's worth.

jedm · December 13, 2020 6:12PM

Rather than buying a gumball I would save up three more and use them to vacuum my car the next time it needs it. But seriously this is a good topic for discussion and the fact that you took the time to photograph and create this thread shows me that you are motivated to learn.

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