I have a few groups of Lincolns. I have the one I started at a YN that was in a blue Whitman folder with many book quality G-VF cents in the early years. Always dreamed of the 14-D and 09-S VDB. Those coins sit in a roll now days. Then I upgraded to the brown Dansco folder, upgraded most of the cents to XF. Had all of them but I did not crack out the OGH 09-S VDB. Then I upgraded to the Dansco with slides, holds all Wheat and Memorial years with Memorial Proofs. I have this one filled with all the memorials and 2009s and 2010s, not sure how many years I filled with shields till the page was full. The few extra holes in the wheat section are filled with the last few years in Proof. The third page (1934?) to current are red MS coins and proofs. The first two pages are high AU BN cents. The only one that I have remaining and am not happy about is the mint error of 1922. I have almost picked up a decent example a few times but most go for way too much money for what it is. The set will be complete when the book is full. I would be quite happy if the 22 plain was not included. This by the way is my last serious date/mm set, I tend to look more for Type or Theme now days. Going with slabs over books I don't have set holes and therefore I don't feel the need to have every date.
@jmlanzaf said:
They all look alike. Who cares about the dates/MM? So complete for me would be far fewer coins. I'm not sure I even need to care about VDB and no-VDB
Under that logic why would you ever own a coin, they are all round disks of metal thus they all look alike.
I guess you don't understand type collecting.
The only difference between a 1916 and 1917 cent is a date. The hub they came from is identical. Why do I need to care about the date difference?
@jmlanzaf said:
They all look alike. Who cares about the dates/MM? So complete for me would be far fewer coins. I'm not sure I even need to care about VDB and no-VDB
Under that logic why would you ever own a coin, they are all round disks of metal thus they all look alike.
I guess you don't understand type collecting.
The only difference between a 1916 and 1917 cent is a date. The hub they came from is identical. Why do I need to care about the date difference?
Sorry, I am not a basher, but that is why it is called a collation.. There were different mintages, it's a part of history.
@jmlanzaf said:
They all look alike. Who cares about the dates/MM? So complete for me would be far fewer coins. I'm not sure I even need to care about VDB and no-VDB
Under that logic why would you ever own a coin, they are all round disks of metal thus they all look alike.
I guess you don't understand type collecting.
The only difference between a 1916 and 1917 cent is a date. The hub they came from is identical. Why do I need to care about the date difference?
Sure I do, and I also understand the this thread is not about type collecting, way to stay on topic.
@jmlanzaf said:
They all look alike. Who cares about the dates/MM? So complete for me would be far fewer coins. I'm not sure I even need to care about VDB and no-VDB
Under that logic why would you ever own a coin, they are all round disks of metal thus they all look alike.
I guess you don't understand type collecting.
The only difference between a 1916 and 1917 cent is a date. The hub they came from is identical. Why do I need to care about the date difference?
Sure I do, and I also understand the this thread is not about type collecting, way to stay on topic.
I was completely on topic.
The question was when do I consider my Lincoln collection complete. My answer was when I have one of each type because I don't care about date/mm variations.
Your response was that if I don't care about dates/MM, I shouldn't ever buy coins.
Way to criticize someone else's collecting strategy. ;)
The collection is complete when it reaches the point where it pleases you. Most collectors would say that you are “incomplete” when you don’t have all of the date and mint mark combinations. Lacking the pieces you named, which are die states or die varieties, might be viewed as “extras.”
Back in circa 1940, someone published an article in The Numismatist which voiced the opinion that the 1922 Plain was totally silly. The coin was just starting to gain some notoriety at the time. The author went so far as to say that one could scrape or hammer off the “D” and fill one’s desires for the coin that way. Sadly quite a few crooks have taken his advice.
I don’t have a 1922 Plain in my Lincoln set which dates from the first minutes that I became a collector during Christmas week 1959. I once had one when I bought a collection that contained it as a dealer. It was a very nice VF-30 or 35, I forget which, with the strong reverse. I was going to leave it raw and put it in my "Library of Coins" to complete it, but a dealer made me “an offer I couldn’t refuse.” So I certified it, and collected the $1,200 +.
As an aside, when you said that you were a Lincoln fanatic, I thought that you were talking about the many Lincoln medals and tokens that have issued for the last 160 + years. I collect Lincoln tokens and medals that were made during the Civil War and just after his assassination. Even that collection is endless, and needless to say, can run into quite a bit money.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
For me - when I target a group of coins for collecting I usually have to adjust to a subset given the cost of some stoppers. For example - I collected early dollars but knew there was no way I’d buy a 1794 so my set and MY definition of complete was based upon that.
Way to criticize someone else's collecting strategy. ;)
Way to be the kettle calling the pot black, it was you that criticized those who do collect by series/mm in this thread in your typical insufficiently thoughtful way. Reply all you want, you only come here to argue and are a complete troll and a drain on this forum, I'm done with you and will not waste any further time on your nonsense.
Me, I didn't include a 22 Plain in my Lincoln set. As a kid I reasoned that if Philadelphia had been in business that year, these might be of interest to error collectors, but would not be part of a basic set. Still feel that way.
Way to criticize someone else's collecting strategy. ;)
Way to be the kettle calling the pot black, it was you that criticized those who do collect by series/mm in this thread in your typical insufficiently thoughtful way. Reply all you want, you only come here to argue and are a complete troll and a drain on this forum, I'm done with you and will not waste any further time on your nonsense.
All I said is that you don't need to care about date/mm and so "complete" can be a lot fewer coins. That's my definition of complete. I didn't tell anyone else that they had to do it that way.
In typical fashion, you Richard's jump on my post and then call me argumentative. There are a lot of type collectors out there, including others on this thread.
Thank God I don't have to worry about you responding to my posts anymore.
My first collection starting out as a young boy was Lincolns in blue Whitman folders - - strictly from circulation. I still have those coins/folders 50+ years later, but, other than staying up-to-date with each year's issues, I have not added to them for quite some time, as I'm down to just the keys & semi-keys (not to mention the '22 and '55) and won't find them in circulation (and can't justify spending on them with all other expenses....).
So, while there are the following unfilled "holes" in my folders (09S, 09S-VDB, 11D, 11S, 12D, 13S, 14D, 14S, 24D, 26S, 31S), I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that my Lincoln collection is "complete" as far as I'm concerned...............
I have two Lincoln sets, now that I think about it. The main one is part of the type set, and I would call that complete, with VDB, no-VDB at all early years, wheat, steel, ammo bronze, memorial, Zn memorial, 2009 designs, and shield.
The second is a date/mintmark set, but only up through the end of the bronze cents, so nothing after 1982. The zlincolns are just too nasty, and makes a good point to hang it up. This one is nowhere near complete, I have what I collected as a kid, and though I am keeping them I am not looking to add to them right now. I would not count the 22-plain or 55-DDO as part of it, but if I ever decided to complete this set, I would want to add the 55-DDO as an extra.
I would say from 1909 to present year strikes meant for circulation would be complete enough for me. Proofs, errors and varieties would be if you're attempting to document all possible strikes.
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One Lincoln Cent collection variation could be the varieties of the coin. 1. 1909 VDB 2. 1909 -1917 no VDB. 3. 1918-1958 VDB on shoulder. 4. 1959-2008 Memorial ,5-8 2009 Lincoln Bicentennial reverses 9. 2010- Shield. •••. A set that could be easily completed with Beautiful MS coins at a reasonable price. If you want to Really pump it, do it with S mint coins!
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Stopped at 1958 except for my typeset. An age thing.
I have a few groups of Lincolns. I have the one I started at a YN that was in a blue Whitman folder with many book quality G-VF cents in the early years. Always dreamed of the 14-D and 09-S VDB. Those coins sit in a roll now days. Then I upgraded to the brown Dansco folder, upgraded most of the cents to XF. Had all of them but I did not crack out the OGH 09-S VDB. Then I upgraded to the Dansco with slides, holds all Wheat and Memorial years with Memorial Proofs. I have this one filled with all the memorials and 2009s and 2010s, not sure how many years I filled with shields till the page was full. The few extra holes in the wheat section are filled with the last few years in Proof. The third page (1934?) to current are red MS coins and proofs. The first two pages are high AU BN cents. The only one that I have remaining and am not happy about is the mint error of 1922. I have almost picked up a decent example a few times but most go for way too much money for what it is. The set will be complete when the book is full. I would be quite happy if the 22 plain was not included. This by the way is my last serious date/mm set, I tend to look more for Type or Theme now days. Going with slabs over books I don't have set holes and therefore I don't feel the need to have every date.
I guess you don't understand type collecting.
The only difference between a 1916 and 1917 cent is a date. The hub they came from is identical. Why do I need to care about the date difference?
Sorry, I am not a basher, but that is why it is called a collation.. There were different mintages, it's a part of history.
Sure I do, and I also understand the this thread is not about type collecting, way to stay on topic.
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I was completely on topic.
The question was when do I consider my Lincoln collection complete. My answer was when I have one of each type because I don't care about date/mm variations.
Your response was that if I don't care about dates/MM, I shouldn't ever buy coins.
The collection is complete when it reaches the point where it pleases you. Most collectors would say that you are “incomplete” when you don’t have all of the date and mint mark combinations. Lacking the pieces you named, which are die states or die varieties, might be viewed as “extras.”
Back in circa 1940, someone published an article in The Numismatist which voiced the opinion that the 1922 Plain was totally silly. The coin was just starting to gain some notoriety at the time. The author went so far as to say that one could scrape or hammer off the “D” and fill one’s desires for the coin that way. Sadly quite a few crooks have taken his advice.
I don’t have a 1922 Plain in my Lincoln set which dates from the first minutes that I became a collector during Christmas week 1959. I once had one when I bought a collection that contained it as a dealer. It was a very nice VF-30 or 35, I forget which, with the strong reverse. I was going to leave it raw and put it in my "Library of Coins" to complete it, but a dealer made me “an offer I couldn’t refuse.” So I certified it, and collected the $1,200 +.
As an aside, when you said that you were a Lincoln fanatic, I thought that you were talking about the many Lincoln medals and tokens that have issued for the last 160 + years. I collect Lincoln tokens and medals that were made during the Civil War and just after his assassination. Even that collection is endless, and needless to say, can run into quite a bit money.
What a great set to have put together! Congrats!
For me - when I target a group of coins for collecting I usually have to adjust to a subset given the cost of some stoppers. For example - I collected early dollars but knew there was no way I’d buy a 1794 so my set and MY definition of complete was based upon that.
So imho you define complete- as others have said.
Way to be the kettle calling the pot black, it was you that criticized those who do collect by series/mm in this thread in your typical insufficiently thoughtful way. Reply all you want, you only come here to argue and are a complete troll and a drain on this forum, I'm done with you and will not waste any further time on your nonsense.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Me, I didn't include a 22 Plain in my Lincoln set. As a kid I reasoned that if Philadelphia had been in business that year, these might be of interest to error collectors, but would not be part of a basic set. Still feel that way.
All I said is that you don't need to care about date/mm and so "complete" can be a lot fewer coins. That's my definition of complete. I didn't tell anyone else that they had to do it that way.
In typical fashion, you Richard's jump on my post and then call me argumentative. There are a lot of type collectors out there, including others on this thread.
Thank God I don't have to worry about you responding to my posts anymore.
My first collection starting out as a young boy was Lincolns in blue Whitman folders - - strictly from circulation. I still have those coins/folders 50+ years later, but, other than staying up-to-date with each year's issues, I have not added to them for quite some time, as I'm down to just the keys & semi-keys (not to mention the '22 and '55) and won't find them in circulation (and can't justify spending on them with all other expenses....).
So, while there are the following unfilled "holes" in my folders (09S, 09S-VDB, 11D, 11S, 12D, 13S, 14D, 14S, 24D, 26S, 31S), I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that my Lincoln collection is "complete" as far as I'm concerned...............
I have two Lincoln sets, now that I think about it. The main one is part of the type set, and I would call that complete, with VDB, no-VDB at all early years, wheat, steel, ammo bronze, memorial, Zn memorial, 2009 designs, and shield.
The second is a date/mintmark set, but only up through the end of the bronze cents, so nothing after 1982. The zlincolns are just too nasty, and makes a good point to hang it up. This one is nowhere near complete, I have what I collected as a kid, and though I am keeping them I am not looking to add to them right now. I would not count the 22-plain or 55-DDO as part of it, but if I ever decided to complete this set, I would want to add the 55-DDO as an extra.
I would say from 1909 to present year strikes meant for circulation would be complete enough for me. Proofs, errors and varieties would be if you're attempting to document all possible strikes.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
One Lincoln Cent collection variation could be the varieties of the coin. 1. 1909 VDB 2. 1909 -1917 no VDB. 3. 1918-1958 VDB on shoulder. 4. 1959-2008 Memorial ,5-8 2009 Lincoln Bicentennial reverses 9. 2010- Shield. •••. A set that could be easily completed with Beautiful MS coins at a reasonable price. If you want to Really pump it, do it with S mint coins!